Stopping Exposure on YouTube

[Squ!rrel]

The solution of exposed magic on youtube. (In Theory)

Guys, as you see right now there are many stupid kids out there revealing magic tricks on youtube and they pissed me off so bad, and I think they pissed you off as well. Let's try something new, Banded youtube, let's not post magic trick on youtube any more.

I know you guys want's to express yourself on youtube, but for the future of the new generation of magic. Don't upload magic video on youtube anymore. I can't do this w/o you guys's help, let's banded youtube.

The reason those revealed are on youtube because people are watching it, if we magician banded youtube, there's no reason for those ppl to reveal magic if no one is watching their video. (that's on the consumer side)

(on the creator side), The creator of the trick have the right to the product. Those kids on you tube could go to jail for reveal stuff or removed their video off the web. that will help the community a lot.

This is a theory, and I hope it work.

excuse my poor gamer or choose of word.

You know this subject is brought up every single week? We know about the problem and there's nothing we can do about it.

They could not go to Jail for several reasons. Firstly, you can't copyright the method to a effect. If somebody teaches it on Youtube they have not done anything to break the law. This doesn't justify them doing it but we can't stop it.

If they upload the actual DVD either to Youtube or a Torrent site then this is illegal but they still won't go to jail. The artists who make the DVD's probably don't care that much, they are making money from people who buy the DVD and know that it will end up on the internet anyway.

Do you really think somebody who downloads a magic video deserves do go to jail?

Many of the people who download the DVD's are probably 12 year old kids with no money, while it may technically be wrong, are they really hurting anyone? They don't have the money to buy the DVD's anyway so nobody is losing anything.

This is one of the most stupid posts i've ever read.

Forget about it. There's absolutely NOTHING you can do about it.

Don't bother coming out with some BS about 'If we all work together we can do something and stop exposure etc etc etc'. We can't, it will NEVER work.

 

[Chr!s]

I do wonder if these opinions would hold up if you yourself were a creator or distributor. I think your attitude would differ quite severely if you were.

CL

 

[The Tumbleweed]

The only people who look up tutorials on youtube are people who are interested in learning magic, not people who want to figure out how you did something.
PS Post no. 200! Party at my house!

 

[Squ!rrel]

I do wonder if these opinions would hold up if you yourself were a creator or distributor. I think your attitude would differ quite severely if you were.

CL

I can assure you my opinions would hold up, I know that if I ever released anything I would have to accept that it will be available for free on the internet, this happens when you release anything. A magic effect, music, a movie etc. I would be counting on people having enough respect for the artform and for me to pay for the product even if they can get it for free.

It wouldn't bother me that some people have got it for free, as they most likely weren't going to pay for it anyway so I haven't lost anything.

You may not believe me but it's true.

 

[jimmah01]

it's freedom of speech. you can't do anything about it.

it's completely unfair to take away the rights to publish a video on youtube unless it's the actual product itself, it's not breaking any of the terms or conditions of use. i dislike exposure as much as the next guy, but you have to be realistic about it, there's nothing you can do about it; it's like trying to stop music filesharing which actually is illegal and slowly destroying the music industry (which in many [if not most] of people's minds is a far more important industry than the magic industry) - it's never going to stop.

sorry.

 

[lmtdlifetimewrnt]

Agreed

exposure really isnt as big a deal as people have been making it out to be. First off i really dont think it will ruin the art. NO laymen are looking for advanced magic tutorials, maybe a key card routine but not tivo 2.0, they wouldnt even know what to search for. The only people that are looking are other magicians. Does this hurt the creators? a little in the sense that they wont be getting their money but they arent doing actual harm to anyone. As long as the rest of us still are willing to pay for these DVDs magic will never die out.

Youtube has helped a LOT more magicians than it has hurt. I know that i wouldnt be in magic today if i didnt learn my first few tricks from youtube. But the fact is that if you actually value your magic then you will eventually out grow the youtube tutorials and start learning the right way. But its a pretty step for someone to just drop 30 or 40 dollars on a DVD about something they might not like. So it serves it purpose.

I dont think you will ever get rid of exposure just like you will never see an end to bootlegging of music a movies. sorry but thats how things are.

Wow some one actually understands. Seriously The majority of people looking up magic exposer, are magicians... then wannabe magicians, then people who are really bored and just happen to run across it, besides they will probably forget it anyway. Seriously, magic isn't dying because of YouTube exposer. And the fact that Magicians are the majority of the people seeing it means the secret is still safe with them.

 

[ThrallMind]

The only people who look up tutorials on youtube are people who are interested in learning magic, not people who want to figure out how you did something.
PS Post no. 200! Party at my house!

While I am not going to give my opinion one way or another on the post topic itself, what you said Tumbleweed is just plain wrong. The ONLY people? No. If you perform on campus, you quickly learn people know youtube exists and they use it to be able to look cool to their friends to reveal how something is done.

More careful wording next time.

-ThrallMind

 

[JamesAV305]

While I am not going to give my opinion one way or another on the post topic itself, what you said Tumbleweed is just plain wrong. The ONLY people? No. If you perform on campus, you quickly learn people know youtube exists and they use it to be able to look cool to their friends to reveal how something is done.

More careful wording next time.

-ThrallMind

I do live on campus and while ive heard a lot of people saying that the are going to look up how its done on youtube, what are they going to look up? Enless you are giving a title and credits when you perform they wont know what to type in. If you do an ACR what will they type in? Card comes to top of deck? and if you explain that they wont be able to find it they are even less likely to search for it. On top of that the one trick that they will most likely want to see should be your closer, which should require more than say a double lift. If you are closing with a trick that is really simple like that you are just asking to get called out. But if you close with something big, it is VERY unlikely that you will ever be discovered by a laymen.

 

[M_dalgashon]

Right... And you think because a bunch of magicians will decide to ban YouTube, the whole world will stop watching those videos.
Anyway, I don't get it. Yeah, it is a nuisance, but mothing more. These are just a bunch of snotty, lonely 14 years old who think that by doing magic videos they'll be, like, so "cool" and "popular". Well, I say, let them do that, and just ignore them, and I will tell you exactly why:
These kids want ATTENTION. By making a fuss over it and going "oh those pathetic kids they're disrespectful", you're giving them the attention they want. You're absolutely right, of course, it is disrespectful, but it's not your job to educate some stupid kid you don't even know.
They piss you off? Why do you even pay attention to these kids? I mean, if a kid comes up to you and say "oh i know how u do this trik ur a bad magician", will you seriously give a damn about what some kid says?
They are just stupid kids who don't know any better, and to think that they're gonna destroy magic, or that they are even worth doing a fuss, is, in my opinion, completely ridiculous. Come on, people, some of you need to grow up as well, you don't have to go out of your wits just because some idiot on YouTube exposed how to do your favourite trick to a couple of other idiots.
So that all I have to say, have fun with your operation

 

[Teddy94]

Two words:

Not going to happen.

 

[Namie Ihara]

Its never going to happen
Exposure is in fact the fault of ellusionist and other magic selling websites(including this one).You wont find a Flowing Pips Tutorial Out there or a Tokyo penetration either.

 

[copperfield 14]

Ahhhhh! Guys run away magic has come to it's end. I knew we should have stopped youtube and criss angel. Quickly get a new hobby/job. I suggest yo-yo. Ahhhhhh! Angry spectator knows how to do Wayne houchin indecent because he looked it up on youtube. My career is ruined.

Notice the sarcasm( somewhere).

 

[bicyclemagik]

Not a bad propostion, if you posted this same thing at the ellusionist forum a lot more n00bs would stop posting magic video's.

I just all around don't like youtube anyways... vimeo's where it's at. Cardistry in hd.

 

[M_dalgashon]

Ahhhhh! Guys run away magic has come to it's end. I knew we should have stopped youtube and criss angel. Quickly get a new hobby/job. I suggest yo-yo. Ahhhhhh! Angry spectator knows how to do Wayne houchin indecent because he looked it up on youtube. My career is ruined.

Notice the sarcasm( somewhere).

LOL
Dude, you just earned my respect, we need more people like you

 

[Steerpike]

Exposure is in fact the fault of ellusionist and other magic selling websites(including this one).

Nice attitude there. So when can we expect you to sue McDonalds for making you a 300 lb lump of diabetic heart attacks?

 

[brainblower]

Has anybody ever performed an effect for a spectator who after said that he knows that trick from youtube?

 

[GusEds]

[Link removed due to exposure.]

this is what i mean when i say i hate EVERY SINGLE youtube brat who reveals, exposes or does anything the ruins magic. this kid is the epitomy of everything said about youtubers in this forum. its not a joke.

he really does expose magic secrets.

gahh!

 

[Squ!rrel]

[Link removed due to exposure.]

this is what i mean when i say i hate EVERY SINGLE youtube brat who reveals, exposes or does anything the ruins magic. this kid is the epitomy of everything said about youtubers in this forum. its not a joke.

he really does expose magic secrets.

gahh!

You really need to calm down and get over it.

Any serious magician will buy the DVD and learn the effects properly.

Any audiences over the age of 12 have better things to do than look up magic tricks on Youtube, not a single person I know would waste their time doing this.

Maybe a few kids will look at his videos and will make a half hearted attempt at learning the effects from his pitiful explanations, these people have no respect for magic and certainly don't have the dedication needed to become a good magician and will not stay in magic for long.

I don't believe these videos are harming magic at all.

 

[GusEds]

hum, alright, i did over react, its just that this guy just irritates the hell out of me. he just does evrything so anoyably(if thats a word)

 

[ajp500]

Well i won't post a youtube video for magic but think about it. How many non magicains look up videos on youtube thats not cirss angel or david blaine? But whenn we look at magic we find those exposer videos more often. Most of my non maigicain friends look up family guy movies or other comendy stuff not magic tircks.