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How Do You Feel About My Stories?

Do You Like The Magic Stories???

  • Yes. They Are Great. Keep 'em Coming.

    Votes: 16 42.1%
  • They Are Okay.

    Votes: 4 10.5%
  • I Could Care Less.

    Votes: 11 28.9%
  • I Don't Really Like 'em.

    Votes: 2 5.3%
  • I Hate 'em. Get Rid Of 'em.

    Votes: 5 13.2%

  • Total voters
    38
As many of you know I write a "Chapter" for a series that I have been posting here every week. And many people have expressed interest. But some people read them and say nothing. So I just wanted to know where we all stand on the subject. so i am writing this poll to let everyone see what we like or don't like about them. So here is the question:

"Do You Like The Magic Stories?"


Dylan P.

P.S: If you have not read any of these, or are looking for the latest Chapter, please take a look at the index. Found HERE.
 
Sep 20, 2008
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Honestly, it doesnt spark an interest in me. i visit the thread, take a quick look, and head back out.

Shouldnt offend you really, just not my cup of tea.

Also, may i add- i sense the urge to prove yourself and Frustration. Lots of it.



Edit:

I forgot to add, even though i dont read them, that doesnt mean you should stop writing them. Your material cant appeal to every type of audience. What doesnt appeal to me, may be god smackingly orgasmic to another.

Cheers.

-Sin07
 
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Jan 28, 2009
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This is a hugely attention grabbing thread in my opinion.

If people were moved enough to reply to your stories they would have done so. I think your stories are good, but it saddens me that you feel you need this kind of reinforcement.

You've already got a loyal bunch of followers that read your stuff, and reply to your posts, but now you need the entire forum to judge your work? Why? Nothing good can possibly come out of it. Worst case it'll dent your apparently already fragile ego.

That having been said I participated and voted positively, but I'm not sure I think this poll needs to be here.
 
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This is a hugely attention grabbing thread in my opinion.

If people were moved enough to reply to your stories they would have done so. I think your stories are good, but it saddens me that you feel you need this kind of re-enforcement.

You've already got a loyal bunch of followers that read your stuff, and reply to your posts, but now you need the entire forum to judge your work.

That having been said I participated and voted positively, but I'm not sure I think this poll needs to be here.

Oh no it's not a reinforcement. It's more of me trying to figure out if spending my time writing these is just a huge waste of time, or if people enjoy them and I should continue to write them. Just don't want to waste my time writing them all week if people hate 'em.
 
Jan 28, 2009
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That is reinforcement that you're looking for. You're requiring other people to justify something you enjoy doing, lol.

Do you enjoy writing them? Do you feel you are a better writer for writing them? Are you happy doing it? Are you pleased that some people really enjoy them?

How you feel is really all that makes anything worthwhile to you because to be honest, you're only ultimately accountable to yourself. You never have to be anyone else.

This is just pure attention seeking behaviour and a desire to have everyone say how amazing you are because your ego is apparently that fragile.

I reiterate, nothing good will come out of this poll.
 
No, no. I am not seeking attention but I like yoprovide a fair ground. For example if the majority says that these are space wastoing threads then I will not post them anymore. I could not care more how many people read them. I just want to know if how many like them and how many don't so I can decide to keep 'em or not. also, I am looking for advice on how to improve the stories and make them more exciting for everyone here.
 
May 3, 2008
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What i don't like is how you say you're making it up as you go. More often then not, a story will suffer because you do not set up a nice flowing plot, and I can kinda tell. Anyway, they're not bad, but we're not the ones who should be telling you whether you should continue or not. If you enjoy it, do it.
 
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I'd like to see these posted and not stopped. It's not exactly an inconvenience to those who don't want to read them. Just don't open the thread.
I enjoy reading the stories and hope you continue to post them.

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Sep 1, 2007
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Dylan, I'm saying this as your friend.

You really did not need to post this. I know why you're saying you do this, but it's a textbook definition of approval-seeking behavior.

By all means, keep on posting regardless of what your detractors say. Agreeing to stop posting something to appease them is by its nature seeking approval. You made your decision, so stick with it.

What I would recommend instead is find people with an aesthetic sense and taste in fiction that is similar to your own, ask them to read the stories, and in private correspondence give you the most blunt, vicious, and unabashed yet constructive criticism that they can. Every time I finish a screenplay, I hand it to my friends who are my harshest critics and say, "Rip it to shreds."
 
Dylan, I'm saying this as your friend.

You really did not need to post this. I know why you're saying you do this, but it's a textbook definition of approval-seeking behavior.

By all means, keep on posting regardless of what your detractors say. Agreeing to stop posting something to appease them is by its nature seeking approval. You made your decision, so stick with it.

What I would recommend instead is find people with an aesthetic sense and taste in fiction that is similar to your own, ask them to read the stories, and in private correspondence give you the most blunt, vicious, and unabashed yet constructive criticism that they can. Every time I finish a screenplay, I hand it to my friends who are my harshest critics and say, "Rip it to shreds."

Hey thanks man. I didn't mean for it to be like I wanted to get attention, I just didn't want to litter the forums with these every week if no one really cared for them. And, also, I do not let anyone else read them besides me.
 
Sep 1, 2007
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Hey thanks man. I didn't mean for it to be like I wanted to get attention, I just didn't want to litter the forums with these every week if no one really cared for them.

If people are responding to them, then that should be incentive enough to keep going.

And, also, I do not let anyone else read them besides me.

That's what is known as a mistake. Imagine if I never let anyone read my screenplays until shooting began?
 
That's what is known as a mistake. Imagine if I never let anyone read my screenplays until shooting began?


Yeah I know. But these are not screenplays or anything that is being made into a book. As you and I have said, it is something I enjoy doing for fun. I simply write the story as I think of it, that's all. A surprise for everyone, even me every week. It is writen as I think of stuff. I usually don't do that but I am trying it out for now and it seems to be working.
 
Nov 15, 2007
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What i don't like is how you say you're making it up as you go. More often then not, a story will suffer because you do not set up a nice flowing plot, and I can kinda tell.

Stephen King doesn't set up a nice flowing plot when he writes. Stephen King is a bestselling author. Creating a plot before writing a story hinders fiction writing. The authors who are both successful and do it are in the minority.



Continue to write. I think flooding the forums and angering people with something you and others enjoy is better than flooding it with the nonsensical gibberish already flooding the forums. :)
 
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Stephen King doesn't set up a nice flowing plot when he writes. Stephen King is a bestselling author. Creating a plot before writing a story hinders fiction writing. The authors who are both successful and do it are in the minority.

I'm sorry... what?!

Do you have anything whatsoever to back up that statement? Proof or gtfo.
 
Nov 15, 2007
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I'm sorry... what?!

Do you have anything whatsoever to back up that statement? Proof or gtfo.

That's insulting. You must have me confused with the majority of people on the forums. Pulling nonsense straight out of my ...of the abyss and then saying 'Why do I need to prove anything to you' or 'I'm entitled to an opinion' after being debunked repeatedly.

The Proof:

He wrote a book called 'On Writing'. In my opinion, having read many books on the subject, it is the most entertaining, and second best, book on how to write.
The first being The Elements of Style by Strunk and White. It's relatively short and gives both stories from his childhood and advice on writing without a lot of bullsh*t, as he mentions in his forward.

Skipping the first half and neglecting everything afterwards, my post came from a few select pages that stuck out to me the first time I read through the book.

In my view, stories and novels consist of three parts: narration, which moves the story from point A to point B and finally to point Z; description, which creates a sensory reality for the reader; and dialogue, which brings characters to life through their speech.

You may wonder where plot is in all this. The answer-my answer-is nowhere. I won't try to convince you that I've never plotted any more than I'd try to convince you that I've never told a lie, but I do both as infrequently as possible. I distrust plot for two reasons:first, because our lives are largely plotless, even when you add in all our reasonable precautions and careful planning; and second, because I believe plotting and the spontaneity of real creation aren't compatible.

Plot is, I think, the good writer's last resort and the dullard's first choice. The story which results from it is apt to feel artificial and labored.

I lean more heavily on intuition, and have been able to do that because my books tend to be based on situation rather than story.

-Stephen King, On Writing (page 159-160)

The last quote is important in that not all writing benefits from this style. Non-Fiction, obviously, cannot be written this way, as it is derived from facts and not imagination.

On what grounds would you disagree that a story should be plotted out? Research papers, senior thesis, and maybe newspaper articles need to be thought out ahead of time. Stories, more often than not, shouldn't be.

This is coming from experience as well. I use to try and plan out a story before filling in the details and sub-plots. That was until a teacher in a creative writing class gave us a paragraph or two of story and told us to turn it into three or four pages without plotting anything. What do you think would happen in this situation? What would you do? How would you have responded to that statement?

From those five pages on I have yet to sit down and think 'how will this story end?' until it's time for the story to end. Have an idea for a story, boy sees magic and decides to try it himself, and then let the story tell itself. When it's over, you'll know it's over.

How better to keep someone guessing, in suspense, about what is going to happen next than to write the book on the edge of your own seat, unscripted and without knowledge of what will happen next?

With everything said, I've never written a screenplay. It might be completely different than writing a novel or short story. If this is true, then plotting might work for what you're currently doing and that's fine. My post was directed towards the writing style in discussion, fiction in short story or novel form.

With that said, many can and will disagree with King when he says plot is the wrong way to write a story. A good opinion from someone who has tried both ways and prefers to have a story before they write one. It's in my experience, and Stephen King's book, that stories tell themselves as you write them and to tell them how to end before you've even started is only going to hurt then end product.


-Rik
 
Sep 1, 2007
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Well at least you can back up what you said.

I still have to disagree, because I draw a line between intuition and half-assing it.

Ernest Leiman wrote North by Northwest and Hitchcock told him that no matter what he wrote it had to begin with an assassination at the UN, it had to involve a crop duster chase somehow, and it had to end on Mount Rushmore. Anyone who says that movie wasn't one of the best written in film history probably can't even discern gold from yellow-colored Play-Doh. Ever since then, Leiman wrote all of his scripts with "Mount Rushmore" in mind.

When it comes to writing intuitively, dialog I can see doing that. You should know your characters inside and out so you should be able to write their dialog and reactions without even thinking about it. If you actually need to stop and think about how your protagonist would respond to the accusation of murdering his wife, then you obviously didn't do that good a job on characterization.

However, a certain amount of planning is needed to come up with a good story. I somehow doubt that even King could pull "The Murder of Roger Ackroyd" out of his ass. The whodunit is a very specific example, granted, but it's pretty difficult to write one if you don't know from the very start who the murderer was, how they did it, and why.

It's a personal preference that I typically reverse engineer the stories I write and then revise once the first outline is done. Then it's on to the drafts and even more revision. But I maintain that the importance of pre-production (for lack of a better catch-all) cannot be overstated.
 
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