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  1. RDChopper

    A big problem..

    Just a point here, MAGIC IS NOT ART. Nah.... Just kidding. I entirely agree with Reverhart, but take this into consideration, you are still young, maybe your parents think that this is where you make the big choices for your life. Play their game man, demonstrate them that practicing doesn't...
  2. RDChopper

    Cardistry - What's The Point?

    No I did not change my mind, I was arguing because your "claims" that Cardistry ITS ALREADY ART. Wich is not. Honestly, I dont' see this as a healthy discussion anymore. No matter how many facts, explanations and opinions I give, the main attitute that I feel from here is "We are T11 artists...
  3. RDChopper

    Cardistry - What's The Point?

    Jesuschrist, is this even a debate anymore? Andrei, you have questioned my arguments time and time again, and I believe that so far I have explained every single one of them and since then I haven't seen you bring them to the table anymore, your only main argument till this point is: " well, in...
  4. RDChopper

    Cardistry - What's The Point?

    :). Yeah, but I never said that it can't be in the future ;).
  5. RDChopper

    Cardistry - What's The Point?

    This is the problem with the main debate. YOU think this, that is your whole argument that backs up what you are saying, I have been backing my argument with books, facts, etc. You can't just back it up saying " I don't believe this because that''s how I see it" . I don't mean to be offensive...
  6. RDChopper

    Cardistry - What's The Point?

    Okay, since some further investigation, yes, Cardistry is Art to some degree, but it is not at the level of Music, Literature etc etc. Why don't we start by defining "Cardistry"? This is my attempt at it. Please correct me if I am wrong. In the 87% cases like the rest of us, "Cardistry" it's...
  7. RDChopper

    Cardistry - What's The Point?

    Zamiel's rose is a perfect example of conveying a message (or a emotion) through magic. You are not calling attention to yourself, you are enterteining, and not only that, but you are also hooking the spectator with a feeling that we all have had in one way or another. A feeling that you had...
  8. RDChopper

    Performance Style

    I really recommend a book called "the art of seduction" by robert greene, it doesn't only talks about seduction in a romantic way, but also how to seduce your audience in general. There is one particular example that the authot gave that I liked. "There was this politician, that prepared a...
  9. RDChopper

    Cardistry - What's The Point?

    Yeah, that pretty much is my main thing here. I mean, it is a hipothesis that it "could" be done in the future, I gave my reasons as to why I see this highly unlikely, and nobody has told me quite yet why it "could" be art with a solid argument behind it. The main argument here for that it's...
  10. RDChopper

    Cardistry - What's The Point?

    I have to agree with that, for me the best examples of "meaning" would be Dimitri, Ambrose, Viet and Shoeman. Great great concepts in cardistry :)
  11. RDChopper

    Magician Terms Laypeople Don't Understand

    "Mira, voy a pasar las cartas asi...(Dribble) dime alto donde quieras" exactamente como tu dices mi estimado, de hecho, hay traduccion para "dribble" al espaniol? :p
  12. RDChopper

    Cardistry - What's The Point?

    Mosdef, actually I think that was why the thread got out trail really quickly. Althought I'll admit that I was also offensive in some of my posts.
  13. RDChopper

    Cardistry - What's The Point?

    Shame. We started with insults, this whole thing was going really well. Okay, I'll stop "debating". Some people have started posting their opinions and the thread is looking great, I look forward to see this thread still open :).
  14. RDChopper

    Cardistry - What's The Point?

    Thanks man, you mainly summarise my whole point. So far I haven't seen Cardistry as Art, but I believe it can become art later on.
  15. RDChopper

    Cardistry - What's The Point?

    Mmm.. i didn't made my point clear with that example. Im not arguing just for arguing man. But okay, Im going to put your theory into a test. Im going to get a camera, some music, build up a cardistry performance of about 10 mins, and go out and ask people to stay and see it. After it I will...
  16. RDChopper

    Cardistry - What's The Point?

    I dont mean to be rude, but I expected better. I thought I made my points clear and I was looking forward into a more insightful and well based debate :(. Let me rinse and repeat. Nope, talking about "art" theory is not relative. Is like saying that mathematics are relative to each person...
  17. RDChopper

    Magician Terms Laypeople Don't Understand

    Thank god I don't have that problem in spanish. :3 Returning to the topic in question, I don't know why we feel the urge to tell the spectator every thing that we are doing. On the other hand if you are talking about making a spectator choose a card by saying "stop' while you dribble the...
  18. RDChopper

    Cardistry - What's The Point?

    Thanks for the insight man, I had a feeling that you would show up. BTW, take it easy on the "prediction" thing ;) Now onto the debate :) It is not biased in any way, those parameters exist for a reason. They are used in musical and art schools to teach students how to evaluate their own...
  19. RDChopper

    Cardistry - What's The Point?

    Here is my prediction:P. Someone will post back something along the following lines. "We create stuff, we express or passion for the art through our flourishes, and we share this experience with people, therefore this is art". I'm just having fun :3
  20. RDChopper

    Cardistry - What's The Point?

    Tim, first of all thank you for the well stated opinion. Using this as a base to debate I would like to add a opinion on this as well: Taking what you said into consideration, apparently in the english lenguage the word "Art" has two different meanings. One of them being the one that I...
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