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  1. Andrei

    Strong as an oak

    Vinnie, The thread veered into many directions - from giving advice to those who asked (and having credibility to do so), to the future of the art and how it may be presented, among many others that overlapped. I've addressed what I could to the best of my knowledge. To address and clarify your...
  2. Andrei

    Strong as an oak

    Christopher, I think you're absolutely right, we've said all there is to say. We're both entertained by different things. However, the last thing I'd want for people to get out of the discussion is that the only people to appreciate cardistry without a story are those who are interested in...
  3. Andrei

    Strong as an oak

    That's certainly solid William! Although I'd say 3-5 minutes is a bit too long for this sort of thing if we're talking about video. One thing I couldn't help but laugh at though. Earlier I had said, Haha! I realize you said "this is the video I would produce if I had the skill and...
  4. Andrei

    Strong as an oak

    While I appreciate that, if you think about what you just stated, wouldn't that apply to just about everything? That seems like an easy way to write anything off. "I could do that too if I really wanted to". Appreciating something (anything and everything in life) has nothing to do with time you...
  5. Andrei

    Strong as an oak

    Correct. I wasn't discussing from a perspective of building an entire show. That's a whole different discussion in and of itself. To quickly address that though, it's certainly possible to create a show based entirely around it with skill as the main center point. Granted, you need to add...
  6. Andrei

    Strong as an oak

    In that case you haven't seen good cardistry. Or at least "somewhat all encompassing". It certainly does not look all the same. Again, all subjective. No one is asking that you know the difference between a sybil 720 and a half pipe 360 twist from the bird of baba ganoush. Just sit back, relax...
  7. Andrei

    Strong as an oak

    That's where we disagree. Lay people watch cardistry for the exact same reasons. To see some slick moves. Definitely in your face type stuff. Sure, doing smaller moves that all look the same gets repetitive, all comes down to style. Of course there is a gap. There's an even larger gap between...
  8. Andrei

    Strong as an oak

    Absolutely relates to the amount of skill. Trying and failing makes us be able to relate to someone who can do something that we failed at - even if they make it look easy. Sure, some techniques look easy but are very difficult and vice versa but it's up to the performer to make those...
  9. Andrei

    Strong as an oak

    I can certainly agree that the rapid expansion has slowed down significantly from a decade ago but that's inevitable with anything. I can't see "creation and continuation" of the art stopping. It will inevitably stop for some but as a whole, I'll have to disagree. The very nature of it's...
  10. Andrei

    Strong as an oak

    That would be awesome!
  11. Andrei

    Strong as an oak

    True. Some are very defensive about it, definitely in agreement there. I don't think the thread was about one's ability to accept criticism. Certainly wasn't giving constructive advice to any specific video/cardist - more just venting why they don't like or find little merit in it. It certainly...
  12. Andrei

    Strong as an oak

    And that's how a discussion should always be. Not "I hate all cardistry videos, they all suck, I'm bored." That's definitely stepping it up a notch. I don't think it started out that way though which is why I chimed in. Awesome. Now if that level of constructiveness was given to specific videos...
  13. Andrei

    Strong as an oak

    Correct. It is always evolving. Not sure I understand the definition of a conclusive "dead-end" in this case. It may be a dead end for many veterans but the journey you started a long time ago will be recycled by the new generation. It's undeniably growing continuously despite the dwindling...
  14. Andrei

    Strong as an oak

    I think important to keep in mind that as card guys who have been doing this for 5+ / 10+ years, it's not necessarily about the art evolving so much as it is about personal evolution. The art has evolved as much as it needs to for all intensive purpose. There's really no excuse on that front...
  15. Andrei

    Strong as an oak

    That's not how I understood it. Either way, not sure anyone can be "proven wrong". If some magicians don't like cardistry, that's totally fine. I've come across hundreds of magicians and lay people that love it and see it as an art.
  16. Andrei

    Strong as an oak

    That was good advice. Very helpful thread. We don't need to be Stanley Kubrick to give good valuable advice. However, it helps to have done great things if you decide to play the role of the critic. Don't you agree? Again I don't think the discussion is too focused on giving advice to improve...
  17. Andrei

    Strong as an oak

    Ha it was aimed at quite a few posts. How much sense would it make if I showed up to a skateboarding (which I can't do) forum and said "All the videos you guys recently produce completely suck, most of them show only your feet and they don't have any story or emotional pull. I can't ever see...
  18. Andrei

    Strong as an oak

    The discussion isn't about "video improvement" and "how much better can I get". No one is entitled to "explain" your questions of said intent. I don't understand how that's a problem. The discussion turned to cardistry and it's merits so I adressed it as such. The center of discussion is that...
  19. Andrei

    Strong as an oak

    Plenty implied it wasn't. Wasn't directed at you. The answer to that question is simple. Not every kid who makes these "pointless videos" has the goal of being the David Copperfield of cardistry. The answer varies from person to person. I'd say in most cases for which the complaints are made...
  20. Andrei

    Strong as an oak

    This isn't aimed at anyone in particular but I'd love to see the people who have criticized cardistry show me something of theirs that I would be entertained by. I'd love to see the so called "objectively bad" "crotch shot framed" "masturbative" "highly produced videos that lack any emotional...
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