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Definition of a Sybil?
- Thread starter Shawty
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Hmmm, what is exactly your question? I don't really understand what you want to know...
Did you mean where the name Sybil came from or....?
If that's the case, this thread might help :
http://forums.theory11.com/showthread.php?t=4326
Exactly.
Chris Kenner (the creator) actually explained this on these forums a few months ago. If you search you should definitely be able to find it. He explains the whole dizzle.
Its a cut like I said before but there are a plethora of variations of it, thats why you see a lot of tutorials with that name, the complete name is ''5 faces of sybil'' I think it was one of the first multipackets cuts out there, correct me if I'm wrong..
Actually, there's "Sybil," which is a trick from Totally Out Of Control, and then there's "Sybil," which is the continuous "sybil-motion" and then there is "5 Faces of Sybil," which is a display Chris Kenner created in Totally Out Of Control.
David
I don't think his question was how sybil got its name, but what actually makes a cut a sybil cut.
I think that the sybil move is basically where you hold one packet between your left index and right thumb, and another packet between your right middle and right thumb. You know take the packet thats on your right middle finger with your left thumb and left middle finger.
I guess you could say that the packet is moving around the packet held between your left index and right thumb.
I hope that made sense...
I think that the sybil move is basically where you hold one packet between your left index and right thumb, and another packet between your right middle and right thumb. You know take the packet thats on your right middle finger with your left thumb and left middle finger.
I guess you could say that the packet is moving around the packet held between your left index and right thumb.
I hope that made sense...
well, imo "sybil" has gone beyond that, imo a sybil is any cut where you hold a packet with between both hands, so for example the tornado cut is also a sybil, same with pandora, tctsca, molecule, jacson 5 yada yada.. but then you can get a little mixed up with the pivot cuts b/c of that definition, but just by looking at a cut it's easy to determine whether it's a sybil cut or a pivot cut
Sorry, but I fail to see how any of the cuts you mentioned other than a few phases of J5 are even close to Sybil. Also, how does having the same packet in both hands turn it into a Sybil? The original Sybil doesn't even have that characteristic.
Sorry if I sound harsh, I'm just confused.
David
well, do you atleast see that 5 faces of sybil, tonado and all the other stuff i mentioned, share the characteristic I mentioned? the shared packet held on it's edges between both hands,, so to me it seems that they all come from the same "family" or branch or whatever.. since sybil was the first cut done this way I go by it.. it's not like my own personal system or anything i'm not the only one reffering to all of those cuts as "sybils"
failing to "see how any of the cuts you mentioned other than a few phases of J5 are even close to Sybil" to me is weird, I'm not saying they all look alike just like book cuts can look very different from each other so do sybils
failing to "see how any of the cuts you mentioned other than a few phases of J5 are even close to Sybil" to me is weird, I'm not saying they all look alike just like book cuts can look very different from each other so do sybils
Most insightful and informative post I've ever read. Guys, read its entirety to understand the full implications that he's trying to get across.
Sarcasm aside, I think it's a general consensus that the 4 packet display: 1 being in the left hand, the other between left index and right thumb, the next between right thumb and right index, the last being between the middle and pinky finger, is a Sybil. Slight variations have also been given the same name, such as making it a 5 packet cut; then there's Sybilism and some others that obviously share the same traits of Sybil via the formation and execution of the cut.
yea and creativity and originality with playing cards will soon die b/c theres only so many ways to open the cards into Z display right?
I'll have to agree with shoeman, although I think all the packets have to be connected in someway, not seperate like the molecules.
Just to throw in my few pennies' worth, the common factor of most cuts with "Sybil" in the name seems to be the four packet opening grip (Z-grip with the extra packet broken off on top). This opening position, and the subsequent "Sybilesque" moves used in most of these cuts were first (as far as I know) seen in the Ultimate Illogical Shuffle by Gianni Mattiolo in an issue of Apocalypse from the early 80s. I'll get back to you with the exact date when I've trawled through and found it.