I hope this isn't revealing, but what kind of IT would you guys recommend to use for tying my own loops?
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You don't use IT for Loops. but EIT (Elastic IT).
Legacy is hands down the strongest/invisible thread I've ever had. It came out just recently.
I've had PET 2.0, Yigal's, and Infinity. Legacy is the best.
Another user has had a kid snatch a floating sharpie and the thread went 3 feet and snapped back to him, it can take a beating
I have the trinity system from Subdivision studios with 5 Legacy spools (that's over 300ft of EIT) each spool. No more 10 dollars for 5 loops. I can make literally over a thousand strong and invisible loops
I was sick and tired of my loops breaking!
http://www.subdividedstudios.com/
The legacy thread is 20 bucks. Great value! No need for stripping the thread either.
Legacy is hands down the strongest/invisible thread I've ever had. It came out just recently.
I've had PET 2.0, Yigal's, and Infinity. Legacy is the best.
Another user has had a kid snatch a floating sharpie and the thread went 3 feet and snapped back to him, it can take a beating
I have the trinity system from Subdivision studios with 5 Legacy spools (that's over 300ft of EIT) each spool. No more 10 dollars for 5 loops. I can make literally over a thousand strong and invisible loops
I was sick and tired of my loops breaking!http://www.subdividedstudios.com/
The legacy thread is 20 bucks. Great value! No need for stripping the thread either.
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Would it be strange to say I love you? lol I'm just kidding
I will definately get some of that thread.
I'm confused about that trinity system thing though. It seems like it teaches you how to tie loops for $70...?
I will definately get some of that thread.
I'm confused about that trinity system thing though. It seems like it teaches you how to tie loops for $70...?
lol...a little bit
It gives you a really beautiful hand crafted item used to help you tie your loops along with a DVD instructional with a few effects/thoughts from Justin Miller. The trinity is pretty freaking awesome. You could of course buy PET 2.0 from penguin and it gives you an instructional on how to tie a loop as well. That's another option, I just love my Trinity System haha. It's on my desk, now it's like a loop tying workstation.
It gives you a really beautiful hand crafted item used to help you tie your loops along with a DVD instructional with a few effects/thoughts from Justin Miller. The trinity is pretty freaking awesome. You could of course buy PET 2.0 from penguin and it gives you an instructional on how to tie a loop as well. That's another option, I just love my Trinity System haha. It's on my desk, now it's like a loop tying workstation.
HOLY CRAP!!! I think I agree with RK on this one. The main thing that I hate about loops is how often they break. But by what you are saying these things look AWESOME! My main question though, is how long have you been working with these?
For a little over a week because Legacy thread JUST came out (I'm one of the first to have it cause I pre-ordered) . I've been playing with them a lot! I love EIT work. This is the best EIT hands down.
. I've been playing with them a lot! I love EIT work. This is the best EIT hands down.
For a little over a week because they JUST came out
I mean, I would have to agree with you by the looks of the website. Justin Miller and Daniel Garcia appear to swear by these on the website. And seeing as they were both apart of Ellusionist's campaign with the Guerilla Guide to L**ps, these have to be something special. They are taking l**ps to the next level =P
Check out this thread ( Oh Snap! )....< OH SNAP
PUNS
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=382330&forum=109&65
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Penguins knot tying system is great, the thread, is, how should i put it?? TERRIBLE. CRAP. I needed it for halloween and the crap is INCREDIBLY weak, and it came pre-tangled a little bit too! now, i normally love penguin, but i was VERY disappointed in the thread, but the knot tying system is really good.
I'm not sure how qualified your comment is considering in the thread on the Magic Cafe' you linked to you said "I need to get into some loop work" and "I've never really done any thread work."
Loops have been a staple in my magic for several years, and out of all the thread I've tried (Legacy included) Mesika's thread (Elastics) is still the best. The Legacy thread is much more visible.
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Not performance wise. Playing around I have. I've played with thread but was never serious about it. I'd order a PET 2.0 and make loops or get yigals but they all broke and I never gotten to do anything with them really. I can fairly say, I've never done ANY thread "WORK". Not the point where i am actually doing it in a live situation.. Sorry for the confusion. Have you stripped your Legacy?
I have a pack of yigals here and they seem much more visible, especially on skin.
I have a pack of yigals here and they seem much more visible, especially on skin.
Weird. It's advertised on the Cafe' as "over 300ft of pre-stripped (no stripping needed) IET." That's repeated several times in the thread on the Cafe'.
This is not the case. I just got it out and stripped it. Didn't know it could be stripped because of the advertising. Stripped, though, this stuff is amazing. VERY invisible. Stripping it, however, is a nightmare. Not sure why it's advertised as being pre-stripped when it's not. Now if I could just get it pre-stripped... I'm contacting the makers to see what's up with it not coming pre-stripped as advertised.
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But it's advertised as "no stripping needed." As such that's how it should come--as advertised.
This is amazing thread though. I'm impressed.
I contacted the makers abut the situation of Legacy thread being advertised as already stripped but not being so. What they said is that Legacy thread is not intended to be stripped down further.
Without stripping it down, I don't think Legacy is a very good thread at all. It does not have a matte finish like Mesika's thread does, so it reflects light like crazy. Much more visible than the Mesika thread. Also, from what the makers of Legacy are saying, the Mesika thread and the Legacy thread is the same thickness (15-20 denier), so the only real difference here as far as the look of the thread goes is that the Mesika thread has a matte finish and the Legacy thread has a sheen to it that reflects light (not good). I'm not sure how Legacy compares to Mesika's thread in terms of elasticity and strength because I didn't bother once I saw how visible the Legacy thread was. How strong and elastic the thread is becomes a non-factor if your audience can see the thread during the effect.
Stripped down to three strands, however, the Legacy thread becomes very invisible, but also much more fragile. I find I can still do a levitation with a ring, and do a Haunted Pack. It holds up fine at first, and I can get a few performances out of it, but the thread breaks after just a few effects. There's just not much mileage in it stripped.
So there you have it. The Legacy thread is not meant to be stripped. When you use it as is the Mesika thread is far and away the better of the two. When the Legacy thread is stripped down, however, it becomes very invisible, and will get the job needed done, but will break after just a few effects.
Mesika's thread is still my IET of choice, but I think using the Legacy thread stripped down does have a place.
Without stripping it down, I don't think Legacy is a very good thread at all. It does not have a matte finish like Mesika's thread does, so it reflects light like crazy. Much more visible than the Mesika thread. Also, from what the makers of Legacy are saying, the Mesika thread and the Legacy thread is the same thickness (15-20 denier), so the only real difference here as far as the look of the thread goes is that the Mesika thread has a matte finish and the Legacy thread has a sheen to it that reflects light (not good). I'm not sure how Legacy compares to Mesika's thread in terms of elasticity and strength because I didn't bother once I saw how visible the Legacy thread was. How strong and elastic the thread is becomes a non-factor if your audience can see the thread during the effect.
Stripped down to three strands, however, the Legacy thread becomes very invisible, but also much more fragile. I find I can still do a levitation with a ring, and do a Haunted Pack. It holds up fine at first, and I can get a few performances out of it, but the thread breaks after just a few effects. There's just not much mileage in it stripped.
So there you have it. The Legacy thread is not meant to be stripped. When you use it as is the Mesika thread is far and away the better of the two. When the Legacy thread is stripped down, however, it becomes very invisible, and will get the job needed done, but will break after just a few effects.
Mesika's thread is still my IET of choice, but I think using the Legacy thread stripped down does have a place.
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Matt, I did not say that, like that......
what you are leaning to here is saying that I am not selling what I say I am.
And I am.... as I stated on the cafe also is that I don't go into the whole denier thing is because it will start a war over sizes..... and here it starts... and I also stated in the email that most all thread strips, it is made that way in multi strands, like the infinity war from before over stripping to 3 strands and others got 6 strands, and the V2 stripping when it was pre stripped.
also any thread stripped down loses strength. That is the nature of the beast. you have a 15-20 denier pcs of legacy strip it down to 3 and you now are trying to float something on a 5 denier thread, it is not the same strength as all strands together, of course it is not going to last if you have it that thin.
you also forgot to mention you contacted me for a refund which I said I would do since you were not happy with your order, which I then went into trying to save you the cost of shipping back and was going to hand deliver you your refund this week while I am in your town.
In your Email on Mon 11/8/2010 5:00 PM: you stated first you only tied one l##p with it and was un happy so you stopped using it and asked for a refund, Then in an email on Tue 11/9/2010 4:57 PM you say and I quote
"I realize now why my Infinity Thread wasn't up to par." that you stripped it down, which means you are still pulling IET off the spool you want a refund on??????
Like I stated in the email ill be in your town this week, email me your phone number and ill call when I am there.
I am sorry your are un happy with your order, but as I stated before you are the first to have these complaints, and I am trying to take care of it by going to refund your money in person.
Sebashtion H.
Start Your Legacy!!!!
Sebastian,
I did not intend to misrepresent what you said at all. I don't think I did, but if what I wrote came across differently than I intended I apologize for not being clear with my words.
What I meant was that I did not like the Legacy thread as is. After I said that in my first post in this thread Blindside said it's supposed to be stripped, so I stripped it and found I liked the way the thread worked better that way. So I was wondering why my thread didn't come stripped down to the size I was stripping it to, which is when I emailed you. You responded saying the way the thread comes is the way it is intended to be used--that it's not necessary to strip it further. Without stripping it further than it's intended to be I don't think it's a good thread for the reasons I listed above, but after stripping it further I think it has a place in my thread work. Overall, though, for regular use, I still prefer Mesika's thread. I will still use the Legacy thread--stripped down further--on occasion, though, when visibility becomes more of a factor than strength or durability.
Hope I was clear. I have no intention of misrepresenting your words, just wanted to share my opinion on the different threads for my fellow magicians. My opinions comparing Legacy to Mesika's thread are just my own, and I have no interest in helping or hurting anyone's sales--just helping my fellow magicians get the best product for their money. I felt my review of the two threads in the post above was fair and accurate, but if anything I wrote was unclear before, I hope I was able to clarify those points with this post.
Even though I was not happy with using the Legacy thread as is, your customer service is top notch. As I said in my emails I really appreciate how quickly you answer your emails and that you stand by your product by offering a refund. I will definitely consider further products from you and your company in the future.
Thanks for the response,
Mat
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