http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/ftopic20357.php lots of reviews their...
and isnt "next" a book by garcia? well its a pdf so maybe its not but its kinda like a book?
You completely proved my point. I was not talking about Danny Garcia at all. I love Danny but he hasn't published a book. As Shanku correctly stated:
I think he wanted you to think of a different Garcia... e.g. Frank Garcia.
I was indeed talking about Frank Garcia - my point being that how many people instantly thing of him?
I guess im one of the "new" genaration of magic, lol.
I think the core texts are...
genaral would be the amatuer magicians handbook (I love that book)
cards would be royal road to card magic
coins would be bobos book
mentalism would be practicle mental effects (theo anneman) and 13 steps (by corianda)
I havnt heard you heard of carney of tamariz, thats because I havnt been in magic for long (1/2 years) and because their not advertised very well (I think), I also think they should advertise "classics" on this site - like they have a special aticle type thing, they have one on dan and dave for card magic.
maybe you (anyone really) could make an article about books that are *obscure*? that would be cool
It's not so much advertising - Next isn't advertised anywhere that I've seen, and yet you know of it. It's not about advertising, it's more about our ability to seek. As Brad said in another thread, these are there for people to find, not up for people to pounce on after someone makes it famous - I was merely making the point of this trend.
praetoritevong ,
Glad I could help. As to the books you listed, "They are all great." But seriously, what specifically do you want to know. I have (and have read) all of those titles. (And yes, they are great.)
Thanks Brad, I'll address your post in chunks...
I'll be completely honest, my interest in magic on this deeper level has only come very recently, and many of these books are on my to read list rather than personally having read many of them before. So, on Vernon, I've been wanting to get Inner Card Trilogy and Ultimate Secrets of Card Magic - and yes, I read your review of the latter
Is this a good starting point for Vernon or is there another one I should start off with (A friend of mine who has studied Vernon recommended this). I've been looking to start off with one of Classics or 67' of Jenning's work, and I was wondering what you thought of them (I've researched and found some arguments by Kaufman in favour of 67'). As far as Tamariz goes, I was wondering what you'd suggest after Mnemonica, and the two Ascanio books in English I've heard are good as well? I have a fair few others (so much to choose from), but I think I'll stop there for now.
Taking all these books in context of their authors' entire body of work, I realise they're still very much "starting out in x magician's work" books, but over time, I'd very much like your opinion on books to explore from there for more depth on such magicians, but I guess that'll come in time - you know what I mean? For every one of these magicians, there's always one or two slightly more well known books of their massive repertoires, like my examples above or say Cardician by Marlo, which are often an 'overview' of 'best of' type collection on said author, and then it branches out from there... In time I'm sure I will have many more questions about further reading and so forth.
I know I've mentioned quite a few things, so feel free to selectively mention some and just make brief comments or whatever you'd like
I am curious though (and please do not take this as an attack - I completely appreciate your point of view and am thrilled to see it expressed) when you mention obscure books - do you mean to suggest Wonder, Carney, and Tamariz are obscure?
Again, I am not attacking you AT ALL, I just find this very interesting - what does the "theory 11 generation" know when they think of books? (Your Garcia reference is not lost on me.) What do the members of the forum (realizing there are exceptions) consider to be the core texts of magic, what do they consider obscure?
Anyone?
Brad
p.s. Ask my anything about any book. If I know it, I am happy to share.
No attack at all taken, I see what you're asking. Well, am I suggesting they're obscure... In a sense, perhaps. By obscurity I imply only the connotation of "lesser known" - a judgment of the magical awareness of the community at large (notwithstanding exceptions). Of course, I believe many people on here will at least have seen the name "Carney" or "Wonder" discussed in shape or form. They were "great magicians". And that's about all many know. But how many have actually investigated their works, or considered buying one of them? This number is considerably fewer, the number who have looked up "Book of Wonder" at MJM or looked to L&L Publishing or anything like that. In this sense I feel that their works can be considered at least relatively obscure.
Books such as Carneycopia fare better than others, having been up on the D&D website - but since when does popularity of old books rely on being up on D&D? And again, I do love D&D, and what they do for magic. But it's a pretty stupid condition for being known. I'm not saying I'm any better, in fact I'm the first to admit the desire for investigation and research has been prompted by my distinct lack of knowledge.
Overall, the lack of research knowledge and appreciation of the lives influence and works of magicians such as Tamariz et al., for the purposes of this arena, in my opinion makes them, sadly, obscure. And these are some of the better known "obscure ones".
But whilst Mnemonica, Carneycopia et al. do occasionally make an appearance, they are not by any means considered "core" or "important" in any way by most.
Brad I'm not sure if you've seen it, but on Andi Gladwin's blog, he has a rather funny series of "magical facts" -
http://www.andigladwin.co.uk/blog/ - if you look at the fourth one down - "True Readers of Strong Magic" - I think that more or less sums up True Readers of the books we have talked about (and I do apologise for my lack of variety in my use of 'overview' type book examples) such as the above. I would add that "People who know of these books" are somewhere roughly equal to "People that say they've read it". Overall, a pretty cynical view, but not entirely incorrect either I think.
As far as "core" texts we would know... Royal Road, Card College, Art of Astonishment. Paper Engine, Totally Out of Control. By Forces Unseen. From my experience, these are the mostly commonly mentioned books, pretty much without exception to any other book, unless I've missed something. I'm not sure how I would define what is considered "obscure". I think many people know of the achievements of these magicians - usually, as I mentioned above, many will have heard these names and be able to recognise them, along with the notion that they were considered great. Given this, I feel that most members here would not deem any of them "obscure" because of this notion they have picked up along the lines - they simply show no interest in investigating them.
I hope I have made sense in this long post - just come from an exam so my brain is probably still recovering! I will gladly clarify anything which is unclear.
