Poll: Quality Forum Response

[Sir FansAlot]

This is my thread. I came up with it. I posted it. Why is there such BS? All I asked was to check a Box. Too difficult for scholars?

It's like: If you like me check this box. And the MoFo gets all down and dirty: Well, I'd like you if you could run around the room real fast. And she does. And the Fo gets all dirty and says maybe you could pick up my tissue. And She does. So he says Do you think you could run around the room with the tissue? And she does, however she makes him run with her.

I just made that up. I know it is stupid.

 

[Flyspazz]

Well Fans I put in for "These people give some good info. But read it elsewhere."

I think one should take what is said into account and get other views and angles on it. There have many times I thought I knew the correct thing only to change my way of thinking after considering other options. How to treat hecklers would be a good example. For years I stuck by my way only to realize later how wrong I was and I wish I would have opened my eyes earlier.

I'll also throw this out. Theres a lot of good and bad advice given. From what I've seen its been from both hobbyists and working pros. Sure some of the hobbyists are knowledgeable but it comes from what they have read in books and not getting out and doing it. I've seen quite a lot of working pros give some pretty bad advice also. Just because your a working pro doesnt mean much sometimes. I travel all over as a pilot and I would say about 92% of the restaurant chaps I see are terrible. Theres a trend among them that I've noticed. Most of the time they have great technique (probably from doing the same 8 things over and over for years) and use good material. The problem is they never connect with their specs. They are so boring they have to go to the same canned lines to try to scrap for some attention. This is not to say I think the restaurant is the best environment for the magician anyway but thats a different thread.

Or maybe I should have just said. "I voted."

 

[praetoritevong]

Chill out on the psychological stuff. But Yeah happy you made a decision. That is the point of the thread anyhow. Isn't it? Without so much BS in the mix. Or am I wrong? Or am I right? Right? Wrong? ,wrong, right, right wrong. It was that hard to make a decision on which box to put an X in? And I thought I was bad. Crap, it's not too hard I laid it out for you. There isn't a guess.

*Sigh* Have you been reading anything I've posted, or is that too much to ask? I gave a reason why it was misleading to do so, and stick by it, and frankly, I'm insulted by your attitude, considering you're the one asking for opinions. Then again - meh.

You know what? Frankly I am insulted by your response. You told me your opinion? What should I do with that besides take it into consideration? But you misled me because you might not have....... Dude. Stop watching the House Wives of OC. It will make you think things like that!

I care because...?

My opinion was that there were two correct answers. What did you do with it? Act condescendingly.

So why should I care if you're insulted?

This is my thread. I came up with it. I posted it. Why is there such BS? All I asked was to check a Box. Too difficult for scholars?

It's like: If you like me check this box. And the MoFo gets all down and dirty: Well, I'd like you if you could run around the room real fast. And she does. And the Fo gets all dirty and says maybe you could pick up my tissue. And She does. So he says Do you think you could run around the room with the tissue? And she does, however she makes him run with her.

I just made that up. I know it is stupid.

Is it difficult to comprehend that there may be more than one answer? That is my opinion, which is what you asked for. Read: I BELIEVE THERE IS MORE THAN ONE ANSWER. Why is there the need to patronise because of that one sentence? I even ticked one at your insistence.

I simply don't understand why you continue to condescendingly stress the ease of giving our opinions, while continuing to carry on at one which is given.

 

[Squ!rrel]

*Sigh* Have you been reading anything I've posted, or is that too much to ask? I gave a reason why it was misleading to do so, and stick by it, and frankly, I'm insulted by your attitude, considering you're the one asking for opinions. Then again - meh.



I care because...?

My opinion was that there were two correct answers. What did you do with it? Act condescendingly.

So why should I care if you're insulted?



Is it difficult to comprehend that there may be more than one answer? That is my opinion, which is what you asked for. Read: My opinion is that there are two answers, and that selecting only one answer would not be my honest opinion. And then I ticked one at your insistence.

I simply don't understand why you continue to condescendingly stress the ease of giving our opinions, while continuing to reject mine.

I sgree with you here, I thought you made a very reasonable point. I don't really see how to just pick one, there's both extremes here and to just tick a box doesn't really get across how I feel about it.

I made the poll something you might have to think about before answering. At least it's better than "Do you like cards". Yes or No.

It is something you have to think about! Choose wisely.

To be honest, as opposed to making people think it seems to be removing a lot of thought, as a whole i'm not at all impressed by responses on this forum but there is certainly a group of people who contribute a lot and who are certainly worth listening to. I don't see why you got so abusive in response to Praetoritevong's post, he made a fair point, I don't think your response was justified at all.

This is my thread. I came up with it. I posted it. Why is there such BS? All I asked was to check a Box. Too difficult for scholars?

Nobody is saying it's too difficult, in fact we're suggesting the opposite, it's way too simple, none of the options reflect the state of the forum which is a large amount of people ranging from very knowledgeable to immensely stupid.

 

[cm763]

I read the item as "On a scale of 1 to 6, please rate the overall quality in forum responses on all magic forums that you have been to:", changing it to a Likert scale type question (top option being 1, bottom option being 6), as apposed to the fixed options given (it better reflects my opinion that way, and it's a more valid measure that way; not that validity really matters, given the discussion within the thread), and then voted. Because, like others, the options given didn't exactly suite my opinion.

 

[William Draven]

...Not only this forum, but all of the magic forums you visit.

I think that this poll based upon that quoted line above has gone beyond the scope of the answers it limits me to.

There is no way on earth I can quantify an answer based on all the forums that I partipate in or visit based on the poll selections given above.

I think it's like trying to compare apples to oranges.

I think there is certainly a higher concentration of working pros on certain boards than others. Also as Steer pointed out, there are a hell of a lot of armchair magicians out there that wouldn't know a paying gig if it walked up and slapped them across the face. For the most part, the people with successful threads from what I've seen are usually people that know their stuff. all the idiots usually have threads that die out within a day or so.

 

[Steerpike]

For the most part, the people with successful threads from what I've seen are usually people that know their stuff. all the idiots usually have threads that die out within a day or so.

Nevertheless, Paredo's Law is a constant.

 

[William Draven]

the 80/20 rule? Hm, true. Shame that wasn't a poll option. I think I could have gone with that one. The wording of the other selections were a bit crass for my liking.

 

[Steerpike]

the 80/20 rule? Hm, true.

There is some flexibility. In some cases it's more 90/10 or somesuch.

Curiously the majority of web content seems to follow a strange deviant form of Paredo's Law. For all the successful content, there's an ocean of sewage to muck through first.

Of all the blogs out there, how many are on par with Stuff White People Like? Thousands of webcomics, yet how many can compare with The Adventures of Dr. McNinja in both art and writing? Millions of YouTube channels and there's still only one Thunderf00t.

Message boards are no different.

 

[Sir FansAlot]

*Sigh* Have you been reading anything I've posted, or is that too much to ask? I gave a reason why it was misleading to do so, and stick by it, and frankly, I'm insulted by your attitude, considering you're the one asking for opinions. Then again - meh.

I read your responses. Apologies for sounding harsh, but the poll is to vote on, not to give reasons not to. Now I see that I should have added the choice "There is no way to tell." However, that one would probably get 100% of the votes.

I care because...?

My opinion was that there were two correct answers. What did you do with it? Act condescendingly.

So why should I care if you're insulted?

Ah, I did not mean, nor do I ever, want to act condescending. I have a unique sense of humor that is (very) hard to portray on a magic forum.

I simply don't understand why you continue to condescendingly stress the ease of giving our opinions, while continuing to carry on at one which is given.

Alright, I will let that go (continuing to carry). I thought that I covered most ground on the possible selections to make it easy to give an opinion. Maybe I am wrong. It happens all the time.

 

[Sir FansAlot]

Nevertheless, Paredo's Law is a constant.

I looked that up out of curiosity and found what I believe best describes this thread:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_effort

 

[Mystifier1]

Well I just voted.....

 

[Sir FansAlot]

Well I just voted.....

Thank you Lamont (sp?). Good to see someone making a decision.

 

[Squ!rrel]

I looked that up out of curiosity and found what I believe best describes this thread:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_effort

Ironically, I think that describes you, or at least your approach to this problem, which is the point that Praetoritevong and I were making. The path of least resistance would be to simply pick one of the categories and leave it at that, you seem to be fixated on the idea that picking one of the catergories requires thought and is a demonstration of effort. In my opinion, that is completely untrue, you're trying to break down a complex situation into six simple options and it just can't be done. It's not due to a lack of thought. I assure you, I have given it quite a bit of thought and addressed the issue on several other threads but the conclusions that I (and many others have reached) can't be represented with the options you've given. This is not due to a lack of effort or a refusal to think, it's the complete opposite.

 

[Sir FansAlot]

I thought that the poll supplied enough to give at least a broad selection. If you cannot find something that you would select (after a minute of thought), feel free to type it out in text. Just try to keep it as short as the given selections.

Thanks.

 

[Sir FansAlot]

It looks like the ones that think "These people don't know what they say." are in the lead. I could disagree with that but of course it is open for other opinions.

 

[William Draven]

I imagine those that don't necessarily agree with the limited options given on such a broad subject with so many variables to consider are probably sand bagging their answers.

 

[4757joshua2]

I think it's worthy of note that of those who voted "forum people are idiots" (I can't remember the exact wording), consist mainly of people who are widely considered to be "good" posters and those few disgruntled guys who get sandbagged every time they post. Preatoritevong and Mystifier1 are good examples.

Personally I think the 80/20 rule applies to ALL people everywhere. The 80 being the idiots, so I voted "these people don't know what they say."