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Reacting to Reactions

Dec 24, 2009
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This has nothing to do with the type of reactions you hear about in the selling of a product. Reactions are based upon different factors, many of which very few of you probably have noticed or realized.

You know about about three different reactions, categorized in very broad terms because it's easier to figure out if "hey, this trick is so cool it get's awesome reactions." You know them as, Freakout's, Stunners, and Cool, Neat trick all of which are good to know, if you're still a beginner that is.

Freakouts- are the ones everybody want's to have it seems, the "OMFG how did you do that." While these are great you won't be getting these most likely unless that person is easily impressed, and by that I mean people who ask "how'd he do that" while watching a movie. While these are fine to strive for I don't imagine these as the best.

Stunners- are the one's you leave your audience speechless with, something I know very few of you have gotten many of. Myself have only started getting these regularly, and while some of you like these because hey you entertained them you don't prefer them to the Freakouts. Believe me these are the one's you truly want, if you don't believe me read the Alchemical Tools once you're prepared for an amazing book.

Brook talks about in the beginning how people seemed to be enjoying his pupil's show better, laughing, freaking out, things like that which most magicians seem to want. Yet, Brook had somewhat an opposite show yet at the end they took a vote who they enjoyed more and Brook had the unanimous decision. They were not his friends or had ever met before, yet to the untrained eye it would seem as if he had "failed" in some way.

I'll get back to it a bit later.

Cool, Neat Trick- is something I thought was fine, because hey they thought it was super neato or something. This is in my eyes and my standards a failure of a performance. This is like them doing a magical math problem, no real substance behind it or anything just something cool they didn't know about or how to do.

I have watched the videos of many people here, been lurking about a month now. I also watched several videos of other places, and it pains me to watch such poor performances when I know the same people read people's post on what to do in these situations. You get these types of reactions more times than you realize, and thinking that you get a Freakout but just an overexcited Cool, Neat Trick.

Now that you understand the types of positive reactions you need to understand the core value of each one.

Freakouts- Amazed, usually by the technical skill or by the lack of explanation.

Stunners- Baffled, no explanation because second thoughts are unnerving.
Complete Astonishment, the true goal.

Cool, Neat Trick- Slightly impressed by technical skill or lack of explanation. Similar to Freakouts, but poorly executed.

We got through the first part of this wonderful journey now let me get you through the rest on why you had to read that.

How do you fix your performances to get these type of reactions? Well, read some other posts besides this one first because this is more of an elaborated first stage.

Most effects you do won't be a stunner right off the bat, because you don't know what to expect and you don't want your best effect to be the first effect. So you open with something to prove your prowess and get the audience to start thinking about what you are doing, leading to the reactions, the astonishment.

Now I'm going to get a bit off the path but still continue to the same destination.

You need to have performed quite a bit by now to understand this skill set, perceiving your audience. Without this true skill you will be blind for the most part, possibly leading to good things but often times not so much.

So, what exactly is this skill you should try and develop if you haven't done so already. This is a ambiguous trade skill, but as I see it the simple findings are that you react to the reactions.

Your audience is like a pie chart, one whole broken up into smaller parts. Without one of them, the pie is lacking and thus cannot be completed to satisfaction. Audiences often have the trait of reacting to those around them, amplifying what they do.

Something you would normally get a decent snicker at becomes a slight roar of laughter, or something you find a bit distasteful becomes a small moment of rage. You get the point now, that you need to play to the majority of the audience to get the most out of it. Maybe it seems a bit unfair or cheap the way you play the crowd, but really the entire show is made up of a big ol' lie we sell to them.

That path we just went off of is now right under our feet, waiting for the final moments until we reach our destination. Getting back on track, how would you react to your audience if your opener is filled with the sound of *crickets*. Many people's thoughts will be to try really hard and sell the effect even better, which of course putting it in those words makes you realize this is a failure 90% of the time.

You have to take a different approach, nothing like taking a 180 but branch off a bit and see where it takes you. Now you may be wondering why make a script if something like this were to happen, wouldn't it be ruined and I have to improv a bit to much. Well depending on how far it goes you should be fine and can continue with the script, making small changes along the way.

Understand that you must find what the core of your audience is and play with it, feel for it, and react to it. Your job is to entertain them and by using a bit of psychology I guess you could say, you will succeed much more often.

So some of you may be rereading this and you can go ahead and skip this part, since it's for those of you who have understood the post. You could be disagreeing with my core "technique" that playing to the majority isn't necessarily good. Maybe your audience consists of inbred hicks who get a kick out of something that doesn't require a second's thought.

Well this is obviously a slight exception, because even the best of performers like comedians don't get positive light all the time. Chris Rock in one of his performances talked about a few jokes absolutely bombing in Oakland. Yet he won't be remembered for that there, or anywhere else.

Now some of you may be still be disagreeing, possibly making a possible reference to small time bands or unknown bands that play to a smaller crowd but are great. Well, they have love for what they do, but they probably don't pay all the big bills or make the money to secure a future. Money isn't everything and I agree but you aren't lowering your values, unless they are silly to being with, you aren't copping out, you're just playing to the crowd like any other performer with his audience that pays to come see them.

Also, one final note not in direct relation to this. Get to know the f'ing names of your specs please, telling somebody "alright, you go ahead and do this" is quite annoying as it is a amateur performers mistake. I recently saw some "street" magic, I hate that term, and the magician didn't get a single person's name. All he did was get the balls to get some people to watch his Cool, Neat Trick performance, and if you know who I am talking about then don't take it the wrong way. Scarecrow made a wonderful post about building Rapport and Sherlock not to long ago about the Importance of Presentation and Performance.

Many of you read it yet decide not to follow it because of silly bad habits and trying to stay in your comfort zone. Well kiddies, the best in the world didn't get better or where they are at by playing it safe. Time to man up and try new things, often ending in failure. If you are against it then look at one of the most incredible person ever, Thomas Edison. You think he's remembered for the hundreds of times he messed up mistaking the light bulb, or is he remembered for actually creating it?
 
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Mar 6, 2008
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Great post mate, I am like you more and more because you praised me in an earlier post. The only thing I would like to mention is about reading Alchemical Tools 'once' that is not something I could do. Ever since I got that amazing tome I have ready it many times cover to cover and looked back to it many more times.

There is something that need to be said about the 'freak out' reaction that you touched on and that is whilst it is all well and good ultimately it is meaningless after it has worn off. The audience may talk about it some time later however the stunned reaction will shake them to the core.

The real question is how do you actually get the reactions whilst there is nothing set in stone the very simple method that I follow and works quite well is as follows. First you want to choose an ability and effects than demonstrate that ability. Then you want to structure your routine so at the beginning they believe in said ability and that they can follow it. If you then take it to a level where they doubt it but can still accept that you must be doing it, it helps a little if you fail in a small way here. Finally you want to push the envelope here and make the spectators truly suspended their disbelief and accept what you are doing as being the real deal.
 
Dec 24, 2009
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Great addition D ICE R, and my praise was definitely worth noting. I'm sure any real criticism you could give some of the younger people would probably make them almost shed a tear.

I plan on reading it multiple times, but I have read very few books in my time with magic. It seems that people plan on buying on so many books. I have 8 books total dealing with mentalism and magic, and while I'm sure they do nothing but help I am more so of a loner in this category.

I figured out things myself, and the books I have were more so just things I read to find out about other peoples perspective.
 
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Feel free to hit me up whenever you want I love talking with serious mentalists.

And don't sell yourself short your opinion is important and I am very grateful for your kind words.
 
Dec 24, 2009
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Quick question to anybody who reads this, did anybody disagree with the post? Just wondering as someone private messaged me about this.
 
Quick question to anybody who reads this, did anybody disagree with the post? Just wondering as someone private messaged me about this.

Wow, very very nice. Although for me, an old fish in performing knows this it did remember me about what people really do when they see an effect. I relate to you on everything.

The "**** you, ****, what the hell is this real" *runs away and hits his head on the wall*, type of reactions are because the guy is easy to amaze, he lived in the moment of astonishment and didn't know how to react. The best one that i have found is when people are really generally baffled. The state where they want to check everything, go back in time with everyone else and piece it together. That is the goal, totally demolishing ones perspective of reality.

Though this is where people tend to get misinterprets. They think that the bigger the clapping the bigger the amazement, when actually the less they react from the outside the more baffled they are.

Oh, and about the names. I literally have a problem with memorizing stuff, so when i get a person to come on stage and lets say her name is something out of the ordinary(im trying to bring this to the american name system), lets say a Maria comes on stage. In my country i could tie that with a girl in my class, but if i were an american on the same terms then i would not remember it because i wouldnt have a person or thing to tie that down with. There are a lot of names i remember and can name out of the bat but there are names that i have to think about 5 minutes and im still off a bit. Its how you come out of that name situations which is important and i believe Brook talked about that in Alchemical Tools. If you forget just ask them in a polite way. Example, "Okay, mmm*thinks for a second*, sorry this is a bit embarrassing but what was your name again, im clumsy with names".

One of the best threads in a while, im amazed that this is not being discussed at all. Come on guys! Get your butts up and read!

Mikk.
 
Sep 17, 2007
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No matter how good of a performer you are, you will always experience different reactions from different people. Perform the same trick for 20 people and

Some will freak out.
Some will be stunned.
Some will be completely unimpressed.

This is because every person you perform for has different life experiences and a different knowledge base from which they perceive the event happening to them.

Yes, we all need to strive to improve our performances. But this isn't necessarily done by judging how certain people respond to an effect or effects.

You can't fool all of 'em all of the time.

And please don't give me the argument of, "If some asks you how you did it then you gave a bad performance."

That's ridiculous. You think people walk out of a Ricky Jay show or a David Copperfield show and just accept that it's pure magic? No. Most people wonder and try to figure stuff out. No matter how good you are, some people will still try to analyze it. All you can do is give the best performance you can.
 
And please don't give me the argument of, "If some asks you how you did it then you gave a bad performance."

That's ridiculous. You think people walk out of a Ricky Jay show or a David Copperfield show and just accept that it's pure magic? No. Most people wonder and try to figure stuff out. No matter how good you are, some people will still try to analyze it. All you can do is give the best performance you can.

Actually you can touch every one in your audience, David Copperfield is a good example. You find very few people who actually didn't like anything and didn't react with astonishment. It takes loads of rapport, loads of trust and so on. It takes years of practice to perfect but it is achievable.

Now ill give you an argument. Yes, a question of that caliber really does not say that you gave a bad performance but if you (example) had a 4 person group and they all ask how you did that you have failed in a level, since they werent amazed they are astounded by the cleverness and coolness of the effect. When a person just stares at you with an open mouth and stands still and can't talk right you have done your job right, they are demolished. And thats what we want.

Of course you can't say that you failed totally when you get asked the question but you did not get the feel for the people and didnt adjust to them.

Mikk.
 
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Dec 24, 2009
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No matter how good of a performer you are, you will always experience different reactions from different people. Perform the same trick for 20 people and

Some will freak out.
Some will be stunned.
Some will be completely unimpressed.

This is because every person you perform for has different life experiences and a different knowledge base from which they perceive the event happening to them.

Yes, we all need to strive to improve our performances. But this isn't necessarily done by judging how certain people respond to an effect or effects.

You can't fool all of 'em all of the time.

And please don't give me the argument of, "If some asks you how you did it then you gave a bad performance."

That's ridiculous. You think people walk out of a Ricky Jay show or a David Copperfield show and just accept that it's pure magic? No. Most people wonder and try to figure stuff out. No matter how good you are, some people will still try to analyze it. All you can do is give the best performance you can.

Who said otherwise?

Some people who have very little knowledge with any sort of magic will always, and I mean this as an absolute which is rare, be stunned by what you do if you perform correctly.

However, for those people in your audience who have more encounters with magic then of course will not be amazed to such a level. It simply can't be undone unfortunately, you can amaze them to their fullest but not to your standard of fullest.

You see, there is something wrong with the magicians today. They are doing something far beyond their grasp, and unfortunately I did so to but to a lesser scale. I never performed much in my earlier years, and when I did I looked back on it and it was quite horrible.

However, onto the point. All the magicians who show the teens, adults, people who have a more than capable memory will remember things that you don't want them to. If they see your sleights, think the performance was piss poor, get a bit to curious for the average spec then you have failed and now that spectator will have bad memories of magicians.

Now you see where I'm going with this, I agree with you but the numbers shouldn't be high, a very small percentage of audience shouldn't have these because it's nearly impossible. Unless you hypnotized them into forgetting those things, but then again if I hypnotized someone it would be to make me seem like a Robin Williams Genie from Aladdin.

Never strive for less because you think it won't or can't happen. Good things happen to those who persist and put forth maximum effort.

However, something to note I don't believe anybody really goes out looking for methods from a Copperfield performance unless they are method seekers. Your repretoire has much more impact than you may think, you don't want to do effects that give off the impression that they could be found on the internet.

Your performance does have a huge deal, even effects that wouldn't be found on youtube or some other site may have the impression given off like a cheap imitation or something because of how you performed it.
 
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Jan 1, 2009
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Actually you can touch every one in your audience, David Copperfield is a good example. You find very few people who actually didn't like anything and didn't react with astonishment. It takes loads of rapport, loads of trust and so on. It takes years of practice to perfect but it is achievable.

Now ill give you an argument. Yes, a question of that caliber really does not say that you gave a bad performance but if you (example) had a 4 person group and they all ask how you did that you have failed in a level, since they werent amazed they are astounded by the cleverness and coolness of the effect. When a person just stares at you with an open mouth and stands still and can't talk right you have done your job right, they are demolished. And thats what we want.

Of course you can't say that you failed totally when you get asked the question but you did not get the feel for the people and didnt adjust to them.

Mikk.

Not really, Osterlind mentions that are just some people out there who are impressed by that stuff and have a need to figure things out. It's not out malice or anything, they are just curious.
 
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