Personally, i dont like the idea of "dealing" with a heckler. Its to much confrontation. Just show him/her something incredibly mindblowing and that'll be enough. Like Panic.
ooo, very subtle hint.
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Hecklers!
- Thread starter BrianationX
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"There is no place for challenge in professional magic." – Al Goshman
I think Steerpike and Thrallmind, as always, have delivered solid advice…and as always, it has been ignored.
Dear Brian Tudor lover – your advice in attempting to make your audiences fear your “skill” by making them look like fools with your “fast hands” is the most ABSURD statement ever.
I am concerned over the poor message you are delivering to new magicians.
I have never dealt with a “Heckler” – I have met a number of people that approach what I do in a different way. Some are angry they are fooled, some love it, some are nervous about what is going to happen and shy away, some get confrontational – but for the most part…as an adult, and not a child fascinated by his own masturbatory craft, I use my communication skills to alleviate any concerns that people are displaying when they are watching FREE entertainment. Remember, even though a company might be paying for it – the people that often watch me usually have no personal investment – so why would they overreact to what I am doing?
Newbies to magic – often the way you present what you are doing can create a challenge situation, that elicits a heckler reaction. ALSO - often the way you handle how others deal with it will mean booking a show...or not. Remember, the lay public thinks it is there job to “figure it out” and our jobs to “fool” – in a way, this isn’t wrong – at least at magic’s basic concept. If you can involve people in the fun and make it about sharing an experience together…they will want to be fooled. I think if they are watching a Show off – challenges can occur more – or if they feel they are being conned by “fast hands” then they will not see this as a fun experience...but enough about Brian Tudor. It is like some guy coming up to show them how fast they can solve a rubix cube – who cares!? Amazing> sure. Magic? No.
Sure, some people may legitimately be jerks – but how is the answer trumping their ignorance with ignorance…not even intelligent witty ignorance, just highlighting you know something they don’t. Hey look, the card is not the card you thought it was…dumb dumb…like if you talked to a Doctor and questioned his diagnosis…he would say where do you think your Hyoid bone is…and when you guess…he is like…WRONG DUMB DUMB!! Who is the doctor now? Point taken?
However BrianationX…since I know you won’t take my advice, I will take yours. I will start fighting fire with fire and become more confrontational and challenging, I have been watching Tudor stuff on Youtube, and I have not made it my personal grudge to bad mouth what he is trying to pass as magic, every chance I get. I will make sure that NOBODY does his work, and any time I see someone doing Sybil or any other junk….I will slap the cards out of their hands. Afterall, I am just challenging them.
I think Steerpike and Thrallmind, as always, have delivered solid advice…and as always, it has been ignored.
Dear Brian Tudor lover – your advice in attempting to make your audiences fear your “skill” by making them look like fools with your “fast hands” is the most ABSURD statement ever.
I am concerned over the poor message you are delivering to new magicians.
I have never dealt with a “Heckler” – I have met a number of people that approach what I do in a different way. Some are angry they are fooled, some love it, some are nervous about what is going to happen and shy away, some get confrontational – but for the most part…as an adult, and not a child fascinated by his own masturbatory craft, I use my communication skills to alleviate any concerns that people are displaying when they are watching FREE entertainment. Remember, even though a company might be paying for it – the people that often watch me usually have no personal investment – so why would they overreact to what I am doing?
Newbies to magic – often the way you present what you are doing can create a challenge situation, that elicits a heckler reaction. ALSO - often the way you handle how others deal with it will mean booking a show...or not. Remember, the lay public thinks it is there job to “figure it out” and our jobs to “fool” – in a way, this isn’t wrong – at least at magic’s basic concept. If you can involve people in the fun and make it about sharing an experience together…they will want to be fooled. I think if they are watching a Show off – challenges can occur more – or if they feel they are being conned by “fast hands” then they will not see this as a fun experience...but enough about Brian Tudor. It is like some guy coming up to show them how fast they can solve a rubix cube – who cares!? Amazing> sure. Magic? No.
Sure, some people may legitimately be jerks – but how is the answer trumping their ignorance with ignorance…not even intelligent witty ignorance, just highlighting you know something they don’t. Hey look, the card is not the card you thought it was…dumb dumb…like if you talked to a Doctor and questioned his diagnosis…he would say where do you think your Hyoid bone is…and when you guess…he is like…WRONG DUMB DUMB!! Who is the doctor now? Point taken?
However BrianationX…since I know you won’t take my advice, I will take yours. I will start fighting fire with fire and become more confrontational and challenging, I have been watching Tudor stuff on Youtube, and I have not made it my personal grudge to bad mouth what he is trying to pass as magic, every chance I get. I will make sure that NOBODY does his work, and any time I see someone doing Sybil or any other junk….I will slap the cards out of their hands. Afterall, I am just challenging them.
Thats just something i would do.not something ive done.
and your right its probably not the best move.
but suprisingly ive never dealt with a heckler.
ive been really lucky.after performing for five years the most ive gotten was a guy who constantly wanted to shuffle the cards.Thats it.
ive been REALLY lucky.
"I admire Tudor" Yeh we can tell lol, almost every post of yours has something to do with him. Anyway ontopic.. whats a heckler lol
whats a heckler lol
A heckler is someone who is calling you out as you perform, or just being a general pain in the backside. An example would be someone yelling "Boo!" during a comedians performance.
Hope this cleared things up!
-ThrallMind
Morgician;117594 I have been watching Tudor stuff on Youtube said:
Finally Morg, you've seen the light. If only all magicians could be like this, they would be respected SO much more and the industry would truly flourish.
D.
Probably not. Brian's performances are known to bore people to death, which would mean that any tape of such a performance would technically be considered a snuff film.
So BrianationX...would you like to make a video of your "heckler stopping" methods that you learned from Mr. Tudor? I'd like to see the entire routine in one continuous shot if possible.
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-ThrallMind
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Wow...this has been one of the most shocking reads I've had in a long time.
I've worked plenty of situations that were less than ideal, and challenging the heckler is the worst mistake I could make, in my opinion.
First, making my audience look like fools is not a goal of mine.
Second, I respect magic too much to give the rest of the table a bad taste simply to shut down one of them who's being rude.
Third, and this is important, if you give in to them with a challenge or losing your temper, you're losing. They got what they wanted, and you look like the fool. They controlled you, rather than the other way around.
Finally, I might be unique in this, but I work in bars in tough areas. I've seen fights break out where broken bottles and glasses were used as make-shift knives. I'm comfortable in this area, I'm born and bred here. Still, I have the smarts to know when to walk away, because my "shutting up" the heckler could then lead to my getting stabbed on the way to my car.
It's simply street smart to deal with things like a gentleman.
Pj
I've worked plenty of situations that were less than ideal, and challenging the heckler is the worst mistake I could make, in my opinion.
First, making my audience look like fools is not a goal of mine.
Second, I respect magic too much to give the rest of the table a bad taste simply to shut down one of them who's being rude.
Third, and this is important, if you give in to them with a challenge or losing your temper, you're losing. They got what they wanted, and you look like the fool. They controlled you, rather than the other way around.
Finally, I might be unique in this, but I work in bars in tough areas. I've seen fights break out where broken bottles and glasses were used as make-shift knives. I'm comfortable in this area, I'm born and bred here. Still, I have the smarts to know when to walk away, because my "shutting up" the heckler could then lead to my getting stabbed on the way to my car.
It's simply street smart to deal with things like a gentleman.
Pj
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George Carlin - How To Handle A Heckler
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=it9kpZHXhxI
You do not want to handle a Heckler like that
I tried it Ones and it didn't work
You will look unprofessional too
You should humiliate them instead
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=N_8oaimyDpo
I do it with Heckler routine
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=it9kpZHXhxI
You do not want to handle a Heckler like that
I tried it Ones and it didn't work
You will look unprofessional too
You should humiliate them instead
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=N_8oaimyDpo
I do it with Heckler routine
I like to see tudor actually perform for real people with his routines and his heckler thing. Not to some payed actor.
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