Magic Theory of New Card Tricks

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I drop the cards all over. I've dropped the cards while "performing." Most that we get to look at are magicians that don't drop cards.

In the spirit of Dai Vernon and/or Marlo Why is everyone so "perfect?" That is the basic feel I get around here.

Does anyone here know how to admit when they are wrong?
 
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I think art is best with it's imperfections noticed. I've never been one for perfect performances. I'd much rather see one with emotion and a few mistakes, than one with no emotion and no mistakes. I make mistakes constantly. not afraid to admit... it's called humanity.
 
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are you trying to insult the man just for asking you what the hell you asked CUz believe me your post can use a little, polishing up man...

I'm damn sick of people telling me what I'm allowed to say. Especially, when a bunch of kids tell me what I should and shouldn't say. Tell the guy I'm sorry. I'm sure he'll be okay.
 
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The magic theory of new card tricks. That is the question. Does anyone have any thoughts besides plagiarism? I have a good one, Dr. Daley's last card trick can be done using Bro John Hamman's Gemini count.
 
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The Joe Tattoo stuff is pretty bad.

What the hell are you jabbering about?
Sorry if this insults you, but have you got any condition we need to know about?
The start of the thread was okay but it seems that the more the topic goes on you start jabbering random stuff.

Anyway, never be perfect. It makes you seem untouchable and makes you seem like a "fake magic man". Always throw some cards down randomly and say sorry orsmth, or if you have to change a card don't always do it straight to the selection, miss once and then change it to their selection.
Makes it more believable...

Mikk.
 
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I think there is a difference between making mistakes, and purposely messing up.

I strive to have my routines perfected before performing them, ironically they can't be perfected before audience testing them, but that's another story for another day.

If dropping the cards is part of your character and persona, then go ahead and drop them. But if you're making a mistake for the sole reason to seem imperfect it could go horribly wrong.

"That magician isn't very good, he dropped the cards at one point and had to scramble to pick them up."

With planned mistakes and drops you have to ask yourself, "Does this strengthen or take away from the effect?" If it takes away from the impact, don't do it. If it doesn't matter either way, your choice. If it strengthens the effect (and fits your performance style) then go ahead and do it.

Everyone makes mistakes, it's how you react to them that makes a difference. After you've developed a routine stop yourself when practicing and ask "what would I do if I dropped the cards...or if someone grabbed at them right now...or if I reveal the wrong card...etc" and think of some outs. Always have an alternative out when performing-the trick ends the way you want it to, and the spectators don't know that it was botched in the first place.

This isn't something that can be generalized, it all depends on the performer.
 
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So quick question, are we posting about magic theory in new card tricks which was stated well after the fact or are we supposed to respond to your first post?

You talk about people wanting to tell you what to say when in reality that would happen anywhere. You talk down to people in a way only a 13 year old bully would, you can be true in your statements and still be halfway decent about it, but simply calling out someone on their "stupid animal" because they ask you a question is just silly.

Grow up, however old you are and I believe past your 20's then act like it. Very few of your posts seem to make sense, as you jabber on about nothing. Magic theory in new card tricks is funny, as you could consider the exact same theory for some of the oldest effects. New card tricks are funny, as they are almost always the same sort of thing.

So in essence your post has very little value when given thought.

To answer the first post, perfection is unattainable, however we strive so that we may have a goal. Many mentalists will very rarely give out a complete 100% true duplication, or prediction. It simply adds value that you aren't perfect, making it even more real.

Say what you will also, but I think you need to slow down and actually give your threads some thought. You posted four different things in separate posts, trying to bump possibly, when you could have easily fit this in a neat and tidy one larger post.
 
I drop the cards all over. I've dropped the cards while "performing." Most that we get to look at are magicians that don't drop cards.

In the spirit of Dai Vernon and/or Marlo Why is everyone so "perfect?" That is the basic feel I get around here.

Does anyone here know how to admit when they are wrong?

I speak for myself and no one else. I am not perfect, I am well practiced. I have been wrong before, and have been so a few times on this forum here. I have no problems correcting myself when I have been proven wrong even if it means that I end up eating my own words.

Mistakes happen. They happen to us all actually. I've seen Lance Burton fail with audience participation when he brought a girl up on stage only to find out once she's there that she didn't want to participate.

It's not that people are perfect, it's just that we practice to the point of perfection. It doesn't mean that mistakes won't happen, but what seperates the players from the chumps is how you handle yourself and the audience when that inevitable botch does occure.

If you are dropping your cards "all the time" by use of your own words then you probably aren't ready to perform for public yet. You should spend some more time practicing and rehursing. That should help you.

Try to take a little more responsibility for your own development and growth. It may be a tough pill to swallow, but trust me; It's good medicine.
 
The magic theory of new card tricks. That is the question.

No... That is actually a statement. A question begins with words like Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How. For example: "What is the theory of magic with new card tricks?"

Notice the "?" at the end? (also a question) That's called a question mark. It ends sentences that are quesions.

I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean by theory with new card tricks. In your example you give with Doc's last card trick using the gemini count, but that's not exactly a theory. That's a diffrent handeling. They aren't the same thing.

Theory is kind of a perposed solution to how things are done. Once a theory has been proven to be true, it becomes Law. I think you are trying so hard to create these deep, intelectual posts like you've seen others do here. My advice is to not play on a level you can't compete on man. Not everyone here has to post long winded essays about the subjects of magic to contribute to the community here. Just so you know.

The rest of your responses in this thread read more like they belong in the Product Review section.

Another good one is using a "quick" color change. The Ego change is superb except for the fact that it sucks.

This is a complete oxymoron. The statement counterdicts itself. Please give more support for your statement.
 
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Another good one is using a "quick" color change. The Ego change is superb except for the fact that it sucks.
Ummmm, maybe it sucks because you never put the time into it. Personally, I've seen many guys use it and do it beautifully. I think it's one of the prettier changes out there actually.

Anyway, I have totally lost you. The OP was fine, but now you're just talking about anything that pops into your head.
The Joe Tattoo stuff is pretty bad.
Now you're bashing products? This has nothing to do with your OP.

I'm lost, if you can shed any light on this, then please do.
 
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