Where Are Your Morals Now?

[visualartist]

You say that now. But if I were to challenge you or anyone else to live one year below the poverty line, I can say with some certainty that your ivory tower ideals wouldn't last very long.

The truth is that 99% of the people on this board, myself included, have no idea what it's like to truly go hungry. To be unable to afford basic living needs. Confront the reality that America has the worst class mobility of any developed nation.

You say there's always a way. Well guess what? Conning, hustling, and petty theft are all ways. And people take them. Do you know why? Because they work. When you're starving, you find a way to eat. And no amount of proselytizing, preaching, and boasts of moral superiority is ever going to change that fact.

Amen brother.
Ive only ever gone TRULY hungry for 4 days. That aint sh!t compared to half the rest of the world.
The answer is simple,if your hungry or your family is starving or both.
You do what you have to do.

 

[KeoSilver]

Why do you feel you have to write this on a public forum? This is all a personal problem that no one cares about save you or me,so message me about it.Dont post it here. And what you said here makes no sense. It does not make it false. Its true. If someone can easily say that they wont steal for food then they havent been close to that situation. Tell me where the fallacy is there? hm?
Once again,stpo crying here and message me if you want to continue this discussion because no one wants to read your bickering here.
Also,heres something you should learn,if someone isnt on topic or taking the high road then yYOU should do it. If I was off topic the smart thing to do was ignore me and get your a$$ back on topic.But you continue to feed the flames. Stop being a child and take your own advice.

Listen I am starting to get a headache from trying to read you posts.

"Not going to lie, I conned a few people doing three card monte in Hawaii for a quick buck to ride the bus. I didn't feel like walking half way across an island to get home.

My answer is yes, if I had to survive that way then so be it. "It's a hard knock life."

This was my original post and I was going to leave it at that, you out of everyone here should know if you post something that is offensive to myself I will defend my point. You may call it crying or bickering it really isn't you just hit the one thing that keeps me going through life and that is my Pride. period now learn to type correctly.

 

[Justin.Morris]

To say that people in desperate situations would always resort to crime to survive is an unfair generalization.

I meet a lot of inner city people who have to survive on the streets (in freezing weather) and don't resort to crime to survive. To say that every poor person (for instance) is a criminal is simply not true, nor is it a fair conclusion.

I have also had the privilege to spend some time with two of our sponsor children in Honduras, who are (in Honduran standards) in some of the worst living situations. These are good people who do not need to resort to crime to survive, despite the most destitute situations (worse than most could ever imagine)

I may be in a desperate situation, but it doesn't mean that I have to be criminal. There is always a choice.

 

[scarecrow1]

To say that people in desperate situations would always resort to crime to survive is an unfair generalization.

I meet a lot of inner city people who have to survive on the streets (in freezing weather) and don't resort to crime to survive. To say that every poor person (for instance) is a criminal is simply not true, nor is it a fair conclusion.

I may be in a desperate situation, but it doesn't mean that I have to be criminal.

I agree with you bro...

 

[visualartist]

Listen I am starting to get a headache from trying to read you posts.

"Not going to lie, I conned a few people doing three card monte in Hawaii for a quick buck to ride the bus. I didn't feel like walking half way across an island to get home.

My answer is yes, if I had to survive that way then so be it. "It's a hard knock life."

This was my original post and I was going to leave it at that, you out of everyone here should know if you post something that is offensive to myself I will defend my point. You may call it crying or bickering it really isn't you just hit the one thing that keeps me going through life and that is my Pride. period now learn to type correctly.

Oh dear god shut up! No one cares anymore. Seems you didnt even take your own advice. If you say pride is the one thing that only keeps you going through your life then i feel sorry for you. Now leave me alone or go to PM's.
Check yourself and get back on topic.

 

[KeoSilver]

To say that people in desperate situations would always resort to crime to survive is an unfair generalization.

I meet a lot of inner city people who have to survive on the streets (in freezing weather) and don't resort to crime to survive. To say that every poor person (for instance) is a criminal is simply not true, nor is it a fair conclusion.

I have also had the privilege to spend some time with two of our sponsor children in Honduras, who are (in Honduran standards) in some of the worst living situations. These are good people who do not need to resort to crime to survive, despite the most destitute situations (worse than most could ever imagine)

I may be in a desperate situation, but it doesn't mean that I have to be criminal. There is always a choice.

Agreed, completely.

 

[cm763]

To say that people in desperate situations would always resort to crime to survive is an unfair generalization.

I meet a lot of inner city people who have to survive on the streets (in freezing weather) and don't resort to crime to survive. To say that every poor person (for instance) is a criminal is simply not true, nor is it a fair conclusion.

I have also had the privilege to spend some time with two of our sponsor children in Honduras, who are (in Honduran standards) in some of the worst living situations. These are good people who do not need to resort to crime to survive, despite the most destitute situations (worse than most could ever imagine)

I may be in a desperate situation, but it doesn't mean that I have to be criminal. There is always a choice.

Agreed 100%.

Steer: My response that you quoted comes from my experience with people far below the poverty line, and with the agencies I eluded to, as I have extensive volunteer experience with said agencies, and formal education in that area. Like jtmorris mentioned, to assume that crime is an inevitable choice given poverty is just a sad stereotype/unfair generalization. It has more to do with personality and upbringing than it does with your current living situation.

So I stick by my original post. I would not resort to crime, and would rely on the social agencies and welfare available to me. And, I'll add to that that if I were really starving that bad, I would spend 20 minutes begging for money at a street corner, seeing as a hot chocolate and a bagel costs less than $2.50 CAD (and one can make a LOT of money in a short amount of time begging, it truly is surprising; some individuals make more begging than they would at a part time job)--again, that would be a last resort for me, of course.

 

[KeoSilver]

Oh dear god shut up! No one cares anymore. Seems you didnt even take your own advice. If you say pride is the one thing that only keeps you going through your life then i feel sorry for you. Now leave me alone or go to PM's.
Check yourself and get back on topic.

Why should I leave you the hell alone? YOU JUST POINTED OUT ONE OF THE GREATEST INJUSTICES! I was trying to open other's eyes about the dark in this world. You are getting all up in my grill telling me I am the one who is at fault, the truth is we're both at fault. You because you keep replying, and me because I don't know when to shut up its a curse and blessing.


Now onto the injustice, when people talk about the morals and ethics of magicians they go crazy. Youtubemagic man is stealing money from the creator. The injustice is you are showing a non caring toward things outside of magic, that is incredibly selfish. Get off you high horse and let others have damn chance Visual. You remind of a man the police found in the Wailua river, I knew him. High and mighty didn't give a care about the under growth filth. Guess what, that undergrowth is the one that killed him.

That story applies to you, your telling me to stay on topic which I have. I have been setting the stage to a moderately bad situation in the states. You go outside of the states and they have it much worse. I will not pm you because it's completely on topic now.

 

[industrialchild]

I've spent the last hour reading all of the comments in this thread and I think all of you make valid points. I have the sudden urge to listen to The Clash now and reflect. Ahh...memories...

 

[KeoSilver]

I've spent the last hour reading all of the comments in this thread and I think all of you make valid points. I have the sudden urge to listen to The Clash now and reflect. Ahh...memories...

You poor thing

 

[industrialchild]

Say, Silver Fang, you feel up to chatting later on Tiny Chat?

 

[visualartist]

Why should I leave you the hell alone? YOU JUST POINTED OUT ONE OF THE GREATEST INJUSTICES! I was trying to open other's eyes about the dark in this world. You are getting all up in my grill telling me I am the one who is at fault, the truth is we're both at fault. You because you keep replying, and me because I don't know when to shut up its a curse and blessing.


Now onto the injustice, when people talk about the morals and ethics of magicians they go crazy. Youtubemagic man is stealing money from the creator. The injustice is you are showing a non caring toward things outside of magic, that is incredibly selfish. Get off you high horse and let others have damn chance Visual. You remind of a man the police found in the Wailua river, I knew him. High and mighty didn't give a care about the under growth filth. Guess what, that undergrowth is the one that killed him.

That story applies to you, your telling me to stay on topic which I have. I have been setting the stage to a moderately bad situation in the states. You go outside of the states and they have it much worse. I will not pm you because it's completely on topic now.

I seriously have no idea what your talking about. I give money,water,food to children in other countries. I pick up a laddle in the food line for the homeless.
I said I hate people who cry about their situations. Weakness like that disgusts me. That is all. The only people who can cry are the chidren who get raped and dont eat for months.You remind of charile. He was shot and beaten to death in front of me. Im done with you.

The morals that were being discussed recently or at all in the past days were about figuring out an effect. Its not wrong,least of all illegal,to hear about an effect created and make your own method.
Figuring out a trick from the trailer is the editors fault and if I catch the method there is no fault there. The gray line is if I use it or not.
But then again,if it happens. Who would know?Whether you figured it out or not?
I have yet to hear of anyone boasting of figuring out a trick other than the occasional kids who THINK they have and that is very seldom. So how can we say if its a problem if we dont know how many,if any, people do it?

And of course,its not illegal and not stealing.

 

[KeoSilver]

Say, Silver Fang, you feel up to chatting later on Tiny Chat?

Yeah definitely I am in right now if you want to chit chat, would love to.

Silver

 

[industrialchild]

visualartist, i normally don't pick fights on these threads that people post and i'm not looking to pick one with you either, but the thing that started the argument between you and silver fang was how quick you were to judge him for hustling 3 card monte many moons ago. So, just let this argument die please.

 

[KeoSilver]

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Then don't acknowledge my posts from now on I will do the same have fun.

 

[visualartist]

visualartist, i normally don't pick fights on these threads that people post and i'm not looking to pick one with you either, but the thing that started the argument between you and silver fang was how quick you were to judge him for hustling 3 card monte many moons ago. So, just let this argument die please.

The thing is I didnt judge him. I just lightly suggested an alternative to conning which was busking. Since he had his cards with him,he couldve offered a show in exchange for tricks. And just put a bucket or his shoe in front of him. It was fun when I was a kid. But he went off thinking I was insulting him or something. Then we talked about random crap.
But my view on the topic stands. Ill con people if i have to feed my family or to eat one night. Luckily I dont have to anymore.

 

[RasmusAndersen]

The thing is I didnt judge him. I just lightly suggested an alternative to conning which was busking. Since he had his cards with him,he couldve offered a show in exchange for tricks. And just put a bucket or his shoe in front of him.

Oh, so you're one to talk huh'?

You cheat guys in poker.. I hope you get busted and get your ass kicked some day.

 

[visualartist]

Oh, so you're one to talk huh'?

You cheat guys in poker.. I hope you get busted and get your ass kicked some day.

You hope for another persons demise? I take it your not christian or a morally stable person yourself. Your one to talk huh?
I gave the money to charity and the hungry. He wanted a bus ride.
I urged him lesser form of "filth". If he didnt care for my advice then so be it. That discussion is over. Just because one person does it,then its alright not to heed their advice on mistakes them themselves have made?
If your parents tell you to not do,lets say weed,are you really going to say "shut up,you cant tell me I cant because you did it too!"?
See how stupid that is? Other than the fact that you wouldve disrespected your parents which is the worst thing one can do to ones parents.
P.S. it seems people have forgotten the uses of PM's. Its so other people wont read about stuff that is irrelevant to the post and is only for purposes of argument and not discussion. If you want to talk there is a message box. Otherwise,stick to the topic.
And if anyone else is going to talk about this personal matter in this thread,then you just want attention.

 

[TheatreHead]

I love the internet.

 

[Jv]

Would I?

YES!