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Where Are Your Morals Now?

Oct 15, 2008
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I agree with visual of pretty much everything he's said.
Cheating rich men out of money is a good way to get killed, meaning its very dangerous. But if its working for him, then why not?
Like he said a man that cant hold on too his money doesn't deserve it.

The fact of the matter is, everything is about money!
We might start magic for the love of it, but at some point we think of how to make money doing it.
Its sad, but most things in the world today are about money.

If im starving, i will do what i have to to eat.
If i had to use my sleight of hand to do so, then so be it.

I think visual said this im not sure ill have to go back and check. A part of religion and morals, is to feed the hungry. The simple fact of the matter is that we don't, therefore people have to do things are are "morally" wrong.

Thats what i have to say take it or leave it
 
Feb 27, 2008
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Grand prairie TX
I agree with visual of pretty much everything he's said.
Cheating rich men out of money is a good way to get killed, meaning its very dangerous. But if its working for him, then why not?
Like he said a man that cant hold on too his money doesn't deserve it.

The fact of the matter is, everything is about money!
We might start magic for the love of it, but at some point we think of how to make money doing it.
Its sad, but most things in the world today are about money.

If im starving, i will do what i have to to eat.
If i had to use my sleight of hand to do so, then so be it.

I think visual said this im not sure ill have to go back and check. A part of religion and morals, is to feed the hungry. The simple fact of the matter is that we don't, therefore people have to do things are are "morally" wrong.

Thats what i have to say take it or leave it

Also what I meant on the "if he cant hold on to it.." I meant that if a man goes on gambling,betting or being generally irresponsible with money then he doesnt deserve to have it. Other people need it more than him. But of course,I only did it to gambling men.
 
Mar 12, 2009
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But if its working for him, then why not?

If robbing a bank is working for me, is it okay?

Also what I meant on the "if he cant hold on to it.." I meant that if a man goes on gambling,betting or being generally irresponsible with money then he doesnt deserve to have it. Other people need it more than him. But of course,I only did it to gambling men.

I kind of see what you mean when you say that they are irresponsible with their money and such. But still, I don't think that justifies stealing from them.. They deserve to have the chance to go playing some poker without some dude ripping them off.

Anyway, I don't really want you to get ass kicked, seeing as taking some money from some rich men isn't that big of a loss to them. But, still, I think stealing is wrong, no matter what you say. Just because some people have more money than you doesn't mean you can go steal from them without feeling guilty.
 
Sep 1, 2007
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Steer: My response that you quoted comes from my experience with people far below the poverty line, and with the agencies I eluded to, as I have extensive volunteer experience with said agencies, and formal education in that area. Like jtmorris mentioned, to assume that crime is an inevitable choice given poverty is just a sad stereotype/unfair generalization. It has more to do with personality and upbringing than it does with your current living situation.

I didn't actually say it was inevitable. Just that it happens. Desperate conditions breed desperate actions. And talking about how you're too moral to run a con in a moment of desperation is a lot of hot air. The brighter the picture, the darker the negative.
 

Justin.Morris

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Aug 31, 2007
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I didn't actually say it was inevitable. Just that it happens. Desperate conditions breed desperate actions. And talking about how you're too moral to run a con in a moment of desperation is a lot of hot air. The brighter the picture, the darker the negative.

I would agree that desperate conditions breed desperate actions, but not crimes.
Granted people would feel more justified in doing something wrong if the situation was desperate, however, I would submit that it is impossible to really draw any correlation between criminal actions and desperate situations. I would say that much of the world lives in desperate situations and many (more) of those people survive in those situations through hard work and perseverance rather than criminal action.

Thus it would be a more fair statement to say 'desperate situations breed hard work and perseverance more often than not.'
 
Mar 2, 2008
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If it came down to it yea. I would lurk in very crowed areas, citys, festivables, parks ect. But stay on the move. First I would go the librey and read everything i can about pick pocketing, conning lock picking ANYTHING. Then i would look for a acomplence so I have a freind to help and talk to. Steal a deck of cards and have him help me with three card monte, when im not doing that, im stealing from people, anything to keep or sell. Then at night, I will use the lock picking skills so I can get into people car or if they just leave there car door unlock well then :rolleyes:. Thats is like plan z for me.
 
Sep 1, 2007
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I would submit that it is impossible to really draw any correlation between criminal actions and desperate situations.

Propose that to a criminologist. Let me know how long it takes him to stop laughing in your face.

I would say that much of the world lives in desperate situations and many (more) of those people survive in those situations through hard work and perseverance rather than criminal action.

I'm not entirely sure you grasp the context of living in a third world country. I'm not saying that Kenya for example is a hotbed of aberrant behavior. I'm just saying that there's a reason Kenyans are more satisfied with their lives than Americans.

So, you know... Apples and oranges.

Thus it would be a more fair statement to say 'desperate situations breed hard work and perseverance more often than not.'

I think I'm going to throw up.
 
Oct 29, 2009
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Just around
Propose that to a criminologist. Let me know how long it takes him to stop laughing in your face.



I'm not entirely sure you grasp the context of living in a third world country. I'm not saying that Kenya for example is a hotbed of aberrant behavior. I'm just saying that there's a reason Kenyans are more satisfied with their lives than Americans.

So, you know... Apples and oranges.



I think I'm going to throw up.
You're pretty negative aren't you? Yea, sure desperate situations bring crime, but not everybody will resort to crime. Believe it or not, there are some people in this world who have a conscience, and would rather do right then wrong, even when faced with desperate situations.
 
Feb 27, 2008
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Grand prairie TX
You're pretty negative aren't you? Yea, sure desperate situations bring crime, but not everybody will resort to crime. Believe it or not, there are some people in this world who have a conscience, and would rather do right then wrong, even when faced with desperate situations.

Doing something right or wrong does not mean the person doesnt have a conscience.
 
Oct 29, 2009
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Just around
Doing something right or wrong does not mean the person doesnt have a conscience.
Course not, I'm just saying that (depending on how strong there conscience is) it will make them do the right thing. I just don't like seeing people who are so negative about everything. I'm negative myself, but Steerpike seems to beat me by a mile...
 
Mar 12, 2009
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But I will atone for my sins later.

What exactly do you mean by that?

Please, please, for the love of mother earth, don't tell me you are throwing some religious bull**** in my face right now, that you will pay the price of your actions when you are in hell. Because if that's the case, you are one of those bastards that are ruining this planet, and I hope you will die of every disease known to man at once..
 
Oct 29, 2009
971
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Just around
What exactly do you mean by that?

Please, please, for the love of mother earth, don't tell me you are throwing some religious bull**** in my face right now, that you will pay the price of your actions when you are in hell. Because if that's the case, you are one of those bastards that are ruining this planet, and I hope you will die of every disease known to man at once..
Keep it civil or this thread will get closed fast...
 
Dec 24, 2009
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To put it very blunt I did something like this when I was in high school. Wasn't a very good lad and most of my sophmore year was swindling people out of their money using certain card games, three shells, some old money count scams.

Needless to say people will do what they want, and desperate situations just simply add fuel to the fire.

For all of those who believe you wouldn't you do not know the true answer. You live a comfortable life not plagued by the problems millions others have. Just realize that your answer has little meaning unless there is some actual fact and substance behind it which you have lived by.
 
Feb 27, 2008
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Grand prairie TX
For all of those who believe you wouldn't you do not know the true answer. You live a comfortable life not plagued by the problems millions others have. Just realize that your answer has little meaning unless there is some actual fact and substance behind it which you have lived by.

Thank you!
Finally.
 
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