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What magic items do you carry

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David Berglas's philosophy on magic is at the opposite end of your advice.

Interesting.


May be, but I can assure you that more professionals yield and support to what I said than what you are alluding to what Berglas "encourages" (and I'm thinking you might be misunderstanding his view. . . I've not read any of his stuff but given his reputation I have the strange suspicion he'd be closer to the thinking of his peers on this matter. Then again, from what I do know about Berglas. . . well, I fail to understand the worshipful attitude so many have towards the man. Though he's given us some interesting things and ways of thinking, he really isn't as incredible as some make him out to be. . . this can be said for many that magic lovers canonize into sainthood when the opposite is often the greater truth.

I'm certainly not taking about from M. Berglas's contributions and sense of resource, only tossing some ice water onto the issue when it comes to the likelihood that his views on being the obvious amateur with pockets bulging with junk as the "norm" . . . I just can't imagine that would be his actual perspective.

Yes, some old timers do encourage the carrying of about a half-dozen chief items. Bob Cassidy, a man who I have great love and admiration for, is just such a person and I can understand his logic, even cosigning it to a very limited degree. I think that Mentalists in particular should have little to nothing on hand while many do make it a matter of habit to carry a nail writer of some type (an item I rarely ever use) as well as a gaffed wallet/card case (I'm guilty of occasionally carrying my SUC case and if I know I'll be doing certain things a Serpent's Wallet and possibly a Himber Hip Wallet set-sup.). I do not carry loops or ITR units unless I know I'll be working and typically only when I know that work will be Ghosts/Seance related. I do have a heavily modified Butterfly pad that allows me to generate loads of time (roughly 20 minutes) because of how I set it (eBook to be released sometime this fall). But outside of the Butterfly abut the only thing you'll find me carrying with any frequency is a magnetic ring and that's very rare. I do all I can to live up to what a Mentalist is supposed to be and that means NO PROPS wherever possible. The more I can work prop free the better I'm going to look when I'm doing a deliberate performance and ring in this and that gaff.

Magicians really need to flex their own mental muscle and see how to create Magical effects (and I emphasize "MAGIC" not mentalism type material) using every day items including such things as the coins already in their own pocket or understanding how to incorporate everyday Items such as a tube of Chapstick. . .

Huh?

A single tube of generic chap stick in a lip-stick styled tube will give you a thimble (the cap) as well as poor-man's Magician's Wax and even a method by which to create invisible markings on cards or a slick spot on a book or magazine page, borrowed deck of cards or even a stack of business cards in which you want one that is easily found. Having a traditional Bic pen with the conical cover cap allows you to do the "magnetic cap" type routine along with lead-in to routines using the pen itself. . . especially if you happen to find a staple and covertly insert it under the edge of the cover cap (the small rounded cap that fits over the opposite end of the pen) and thus, create a gimmick similar to that used with the old Voodoo Doll and needless to say, gives you the ability to hypnotize the pen and make it raise and move to your command. . .

Let me see here. . . less than a full dollar's investment with two items that are not conventional magic props but are common items people are used to seeing. Between the two items and a bit of creativity in which you incorporate other borrowed objects, you are able to do an east 10-15 minute demonstration more or less at the drop of a hat. To my mind this is far more impressive that 101 card tricks in which you need to switch from one deck to another deck for some strange reasons; doing so quite deliberately vs. making a clean switch that goes unnoticed. . . where's the magic in that? May as well hang a neon sign saying "Yes, I Must Use a Gimmicked Deck" when this sort of thing is going on OR WORSE when you move from one packet effect to the next (Vernon used to ream my butt for doing packet tricks . . . yes, THAT "Vernon" . . . kind of trumps Berglas, don't it?)

If you're going to be a "Magician" then strive to be just that and not someone that does tricks; learn to not just produce the sandwich under the proper setting, but understand why working one's magic (when in a casual atmosphere) in this manner, is so much stronger and more bewildering than what is seen and considered by the laity when you corner them and force them to watch you do a card trick or whatever the case might be. Being a magician is far different than being someone with a bunch of tricks he/she is willing to whore out.
 
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...Vernon used to ream my butt for doing packet tricks . . . yes, THAT "Vernon" . . . kind of trumps Berglas, don't it?
No, it doesn't.

At least not unless you subscribe to the belief that everything one person says is absolute truth and can never be challenged by any other opposing opinion.
 
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No, it doesn't.

At least not unless you subscribe to the belief that everything one person says is absolute truth and can never be challenged by any other opposing opinion.

Mat you are being arrogant for no reason. Vernon, among magicians, is widely believed to be the greatest magician who ever lived. Berglas is a legend in his own right but nowhere near Vernon's stature. We could start a poll here and you know that you would be proven to be wrong.

Other than that what exactly is your argument? Is it that Berglas encourages young magicians to pack their pockets with magic stuff? If it is, then Berglas is in the wrong and that is very poor advice in my opinion.

If Berglas did say anything to that effect give us a reference a quote a date anything. Otherwise stop being contrary and dimwitted.
 
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Mat you are being arrogant for no reason. Vernon, among magicians, is widely believed to be the greatest magician who ever lived. Berglas is a legend in his own right but nowhere near Vernon's stature. We could start a poll here and you know that you would be proven to be wrong.

Other than that what exactly is your argument? Is it that Berglas encourages young magicians to pack their pockets with magic stuff? If it is, then Berglas is in the wrong and that is very poor advice in my opinion.

If Berglas did say anything to that effect give us a reference a quote a date anything. Otherwise stop being contrary and dimwitted.

No he has a point, while Vernon was a genius when it came to magic. He was also just a man and he wasn't perfect, I'm sure even he would tell you that sometimes he's been wrong on a few things here and there.

The point that Mat made (while it was arrogant), was that it would be silly to put all your faith into a single person. As Asconio would say "You'd be a fool to have only one mentor."

But Craig made a very good point and so did Vernon. When you constantly have to reach into pocket to pull out a new deck or a new packet trick.. It doesn't look like you can do magic, it looks like silly and makes you look like you just have a ton of "clever" gimmicks on hand.

What you should be aiming for is the way of being able to perform with a single normal looking object, and if the timing was right, then maybe ring in a cooler IF the need be.
 
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Mat you are being arrogant for no reason. Vernon, among magicians, is widely believed to be the greatest magician who ever lived. Berglas is a legend in his own right but nowhere near Vernon's stature. We could start a poll here and you know that you would be proven to be wrong.

Other than that what exactly is your argument? Is it that Berglas encourages young magicians to pack their pockets with magic stuff? If it is, then Berglas is in the wrong and that is very poor advice in my opinion.

If Berglas did say anything to that effect give us a reference a quote a date anything. Otherwise stop being contrary and dimwitted.
Your name-calling and accusations are the only thing that's arrogant, Josh. And you may want to reconsider accusing someone of being dimwitted when you demonstrate such low-level reading comprehension skills. Perhaps consider setting aside your knee-jerk reactions for a moment and take the time to read what I actually wrote. Nothing you're accusing me of is there.

As you've already illustrated your laziness in your reading efforts, I'll restate for you both the points I made:

1. David Berglas's philosophy on magic is at the opposite end of Craig Browning's advice. That's interesting.
(Translation for Josh: This is me saying I think it's interesting how different magicians can have such opposing viewpoints on the art of magic and what makes a good magician.)

2. The only way Vernon's name "trumps" Berglas's is if you subscribe to the belief that everything one person says is absolute truth and can never be challenged by any other opposing opinion.
(Translation for Josh: This is a statement of fact, as dropping someone's name with an opinion can never trump someone else's opinion unless you hold the belief that the person whose name has been dropped is always correct in everything they say and do. For Christians Jesus would be a good example of someone who would fit this criteria. Also, a popularity poll does not relate to what I wrote at all. At all. )

Now read what you wrote again.
 
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Your name-calling and accusations are the only thing that's arrogant, Josh. And you may want to reconsider accusing someone of being dimwitted when you demonstrate such low-level reading comprehension skills. Perhaps consider setting aside your knee-jerk reactions for a moment and take the time to read what I actually wrote. Nothing you're accusing me of is there.

As you've already illustrated your laziness in your reading efforts, I'll restate for you both the points I made:

1. David Berglas's philosophy on magic is at the opposite end of Craig Browning's advice. That's interesting.
(Translation for Josh: This is me saying I think it's interesting how different magicians can have such opposing viewpoints on the art of magic and what makes a good magician.)

2. The only way Vernon's name "trumps" Berglas's is if you subscribe to the belief that everything one person says is absolute truth and can never be challenged by any other opposing opinion.
(Translation for Josh: This is a statement of fact, as dropping someone's name with an opinion can never trump someone else's opinion unless you hold the belief that the person whose name has been dropped is always correct in everything they say and do. For Christians Jesus would be a good example of someone who would fit this criteria. Also, a popularity poll does not relate to what I wrote at all. At all. )

Now read what you wrote again.

To be clear, Craig favors organic magic that can be performed impromptu. Mat claims that Berglas believes the opposite. Craig then sites Vernon as a source backing up his opinion. Craig points out that in the instance that Vernon and Berglas disagree, an easy majority of magicians would choose Vernon. Mat then leaves the discussion and compares Vernon to God.

Mat, instead of arguing your point, giving a source for an unsubstantiated claim or staying on topic you nitpick Craig's writing. Craig writes a page about his stance referring to experiences with other well known, well respected magicians. You then in one line point out a minor fallacy, on the last line of Craigs statement, in parenthesis as your response.

Mat, if you disagree with Craig argue your point. Stop boo-hooing about how Craig may have exaggerated a claim he made in his argument.
 
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To be clear, Craig favors organic magic that can be performed impromptu. Mat claims that Berglas believes the opposite. Craig then sites Vernon as a source backing up his opinion. Craig points out that in the instance that Vernon and Berglas disagree, an easy majority of magicians would choose Vernon. Mat then leaves the discussion and compares Vernon to God.

Mat, instead of arguing your point, giving a source for an unsubstantiated claim or staying on topic you nitpick Craig's writing. Craig writes a page about his stance referring to experiences with other well known, well respected magicians. You then in one line point out a minor fallacy, on the last line of Craigs statement, in parenthesis as your response.

Mat, if you disagree with Craig argue your point. Stop boo-hooing about how Craig may have exaggerated a claim he made in his argument.
You're absolutely ridiculous.

That's all I have to say.

Carry on.
 
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Goatears, thanks so much for your effort in trying to lead the blind & deaf toward understanding but I fear our young friend simply loathes any form of authority and has learned that if he can be overbearing & rude long enough others will leave him alone and allow him the final word. Too, I believe the lad has a jealousy thing going when it comes to old farts like us, who actually knew some of the 20th Century legends. . . I tend to get lots of people worked up when it comes to such things ;-)

:confused: I've made three attempts at making a kind & civil reply to Mat but it seems impossible given my loathing of arrogant spoilt children that have issues with authority and petty jealousy when it comes to someone having had a personal connection to living legends . . . or I should probably say, those that were living when I was in my 20's :o I actually feel sorry for people like this in that medical science has proven what their physical and mental health will look like by the time they start hitting their 40's and early 50's . . . cancer being quite typical for such anal-retentive characters. Ironically, anal (lower bowel) and Prostate cancer seem the most prevalent in the males . . . I guess it comes from trying to make a diamond all those years leading up to middle-age.

No, I actually hope Mat learns to loosen up and stop trying to dissect life & circumstance, to learn that "winning" ain't always important and sometimes "loosing" can give you the greater rewards and treasures in life.

No, I'll not argue with you Mat. We both know who stands on the side of common practice and philosophy when it comes to magic practice as it applies to this thread. We both know that Berglas didn't support things contrary to what I've pointed out and you probably mis-read or misremember the passage in question. Remembering of course, "Context" and how that can slant the interpretation of things. ;)
 
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Goatears, thanks so much for your effort in trying to lead the blind & deaf toward understanding but I fear our young friend simply loathes any form of authority and has learned that if he can be overbearing & rude long enough others will leave him alone and allow him the final word. Too, I believe the lad has a jealousy thing going when it comes to old farts like us, who actually knew some of the 20th Century legends. . . I tend to get lots of people worked up when it comes to such things ;-)

:confused: I've made three attempts at making a kind & civil reply to Mat but it seems impossible given my loathing of arrogant spoilt children that have issues with authority and petty jealousy when it comes to someone having had a personal connection to living legends . . . or I should probably say, those that were living when I was in my 20's :o I actually feel sorry for people like this in that medical science has proven what their physical and mental health will look like by the time they start hitting their 40's and early 50's . . . cancer being quite typical for such anal-retentive characters. Ironically, anal (lower bowel) and Prostate cancer seem the most prevalent in the males . . . I guess it comes from trying to make a diamond all those years leading up to middle-age.

No, I actually hope Mat learns to loosen up and stop trying to dissect life & circumstance, to learn that "winning" ain't always important and sometimes "loosing" can give you the greater rewards and treasures in life.

No, I'll not argue with you Mat. We both know who stands on the side of common practice and philosophy when it comes to magic practice as it applies to this thread. We both know that Berglas didn't support things contrary to what I've pointed out and you probably mis-read or misremember the passage in question. Remembering of course, "Context" and how that can slant the interpretation of things. ;)
I'm confused as to what authority you're referring to? This is a magic forum after all, aren't we suppose to debate different philosophies and play devil's advocate? Vernon was in fact a legend, but that doesn't mean we can't challenge his ideas. Times change and so does our culture. Look at astronomy for example. If others didn't think for themselves and developed other ideas we'd still believe in copernicus' theory.
 

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I'm confused as to what authority you're referring to? This is a magic forum after all, aren't we suppose to debate different philosophies and play devil's advocate? Vernon was in fact a legend, but that doesn't mean we can't challenge his ideas. Times change and so does our culture. Look at astronomy for example. If others didn't think for themselves and developed other ideas we'd still believe in copernicus' theory.

If Mat wanted to argue his point he is free to do so.
 
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I'm confused as to what authority you're referring to? This is a magic forum after all, aren't we suppose to debate different philosophies and play devil's advocate? Vernon was in fact a legend, but that doesn't mean we can't challenge his ideas. Times change and so does our culture. Look at astronomy for example. If others didn't think for themselves and developed other ideas we'd still believe in copernicus' theory.

The short story is simple; I made reference to a critique Dai Vernon made to me personally, about relying on too many packet tricks and how grabbing after this and that different packet or gaffed deck WASN'T Magic, it was just someone doing a bunch of tricks. Unlike many in my age group (in those days) I actually thought about what he said and elected to follow said lead, the result being my belief that Less is More when it comes to heading out the door and being prepared to do some magic. I favor true improvisation over the stuff your pockets philosophy so many get in the habit of.

Mat seems to have taken offense to my anecdote and wanted to "one up" things by claiming that Berglas taught the exact opposite and despite my and Goatears request for him to show us where Berglas states this, he's yet to do much more than offer cocky and annoying retorts. My hunch being that it's because Berglas never said any such thing; I can't imagine any creative professional doing so though they may suggest packing a limited arsenal here and there, based on what you are willing to do when you're out and about.

The situation about Vernon was only a reference to something that happened in my life and my sharing that point of view based on a particular logic. The "message" within the anecdote was simply not rely on a dozen different gimmicks and have pockets overflowing. Nothing more! This is the conventional wisdom amongst professionals, most of whom WON'T do anything on the side; they aren't trained monkey's that jump when asked to do something and are used to being paid when they perform. Put another way, they are no longer desperate for other people's approval and so they have no need to show off at the drop of a hat.
 
It's interesting that I came across this particular thread because a few hours ago I was walking to meet my girlfriend for lunch at her place of employment. It's a mere 1.4 km (.6 Km short of a full mile) from our apartment and as I was walking I realized that I had one deck of Bicycle (red back) playing cards, two thin rubber bands, 2 US Kennedy Half Dollars, iPod touch with a few magic apps on it.

As I was going through the inventory in my head, I laughed loudly, especially since it was cloudy, threatening to rain, meaning there was hardly anyone else walking down this particular route and the ones that did pass by were on bikes. LOL, I placed these items in my pockets out of habit.

However, not all was lost. I did perform the Unlinking Rubber band effect (Dan Harlan) for my girlfriend (one of her favorites), "Here, There & Everywhere" by Gerry Griffen and also an effect involving the Browery Reversal (one of my favorites).

- Steve
 
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The short story is simple; I made reference to a critique Dai Vernon made to me personally, about relying on too many packet tricks and how grabbing after this and that different packet or gaffed deck WASN'T Magic, it was just someone doing a bunch of tricks. Unlike many in my age group (in those days) I actually thought about what he said and elected to follow said lead, the result being my belief that Less is More when it comes to heading out the door and being prepared to do some magic. I favor true improvisation over the stuff your pockets philosophy so many get in the habit of.

Mat seems to have taken offense to my anecdote and wanted to "one up" things by claiming that Berglas taught the exact opposite and despite my and Goatears request for him to show us where Berglas states this, he's yet to do much more than offer cocky and annoying retorts. My hunch being that it's because Berglas never said any such thing; I can't imagine any creative professional doing so though they may suggest packing a limited arsenal here and there, based on what you are willing to do when you're out and about

The situation about Vernon was only a reference to something that happened in my life and my sharing that point of view based on a particular logic. The "message" within the anecdote was simply not rely on a dozen different gimmicks and have pockets overflowing. Nothing more! This is the conventional wisdom amongst professionals, most of whom WON'T do anything on the side; they aren't trained monkey's that jump when asked to do something and
are used to being paid when they perform. Put another way, they are no longer desperate for other people's
approval and so they have no need to show off at the drop of a hat.
Maybe I'm mistaken but didn't Mat mention Berglas' philosophy before you gave your anecdote? Now correct me if I'm wrong, but, if anything, it seemed like your reference to Vernon was an attempt to one up Mat. I agree with what your saying about improvisational magic, but I think you may have misunderstood what Mat was trying to get at originally. Then again I may have too...
 
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