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Just to chime in on this, as Richard's FAQ points out, Cardistry was used to describe magic for a total of less than 20 times in the past hundred years. XCM on the other hand borrows a popular term from magic that is still heavily being used today - card manipulation. Card manipulation in magic...

Two years ago I approached Jonathan Bayme with a radical idea. Something that was never previously attempted. The goal was to make a Cardistry project that would withstand the test of time. "Make a list of all the moves you want to teach", Jonathan casually tells me. After several nights of...

Tim, I agree, I shouldn't take it so personally but I suppose my passion for the art does not allow for my emotions to not get involved on some partial level. I did not feel my validity as an artist being threatened, I realize people have opinions and there will inevitably be those who disagree...

Your previous post says you do not generalize art and that you judge it on a case by case basis - that is more or less saying you're not using the same parameters to assess something.

Either way, you're still disagreeing with RDChopper, he clearly believes art is structural and can be defined with the same parameters (the ones he used from his sources which again, differed from Mike Hankin's).

No one claimed "we are theory11 artists and we hold the irrefutable truth" but I wish I had the irrefutable truth all the time! The problem with your whole argument is your so called facts vary from resource to resource which is why I never addressed them. My point from the start was that it's...

RDChopper, you most certainly denied Cardistry as art and concretely argued against it, it was only recently you changed your opinion. Saborfang17, he certainly did not argue that it differed from person to person, that is a point I've stood for and reiterated many times over. How does one argue...

Let's leave Eminem alone ha, I was not questioning him, his art, or why he is respected, you're going in a completely opposite direction. Of course it will first and foremost be a display of skill, so will martial arts, breakdancing, skateboarding, writing, painting, and almost every other...

I think you misunderstood the point I was trying to make. Mentioning Eminem was a way to prove that a motivational factor (even if financial or "egotistical") does not strip the art away. Eminem created art regardless of what his motivation was at the time. With that said, I'm glad you agree...

Maybe with your limited performance and skill in Cardistry that is true. Please have the courtesy of not assuming this is the same reaction every performer receives. I'm not sure how many more times I have to say it's all relative from definition, to book, and to person. Art can be found...

I disagree with that assessment, I do not believe art has to provoke any form of emotion from an audience (it can but is not necessary), it is too vague of a factor to take into consideration. I have heard plenty of songs, seen plenty of art that did not evoke any emotion out of me, I did not...

Art is everywhere and nowhere. Art can be found in every aspect of your life and dismissed just as easily. Unlike RDChopper, I disagree that motivation plays a role (the commercial factor). Eminem is a lyrical genius and arguably created some of his best works in the harshest of financial...

I love it.. it CAN be art but it isn't. I respect all of your opinions, although I certainly tried my best to explain my perspective and why I so strongly disagree. Nevertheless, I think we all share an appreciation for Cardistry and at the end of the day, that's what matters most.

Another post that sank your credibility. You have the audacity to assume you have the potential to "test my theory" by making a half ass video that will pass judgement on my life's work? I rest my case. I think my time is better spent creating rather than arguing with someone who self...

RDChopper, There are plenty of other parameters we can go by and I don't have time to debate by the book with you although there are plenty of other sources we can look to, ultimately, it's all relative and you know that just as well as I do. The posts in this thread have nothing to do with...

Good job, you predicted it because I've said it before; however, if you had anything to say to address that point, you would have covered it in your original posts. I doubt you do. I understand "it's all in good fun" but it's no fun for me to see someone with a limited amount of knowledge toss...

Pure and simple answer is, Cardistry is just as much of an art as music - at the end of the day, we are all biased and have our own self serving little guidelines on how we define art. However, I'd like to address this using your own parameters of what defines art. Cardistry most certainly is...

Sorry "himself" I have no idea what you meant by what you just said. Cardistry is boring because you're not seeing live performances? Yet you guys are complaining that magic is lacking in live performance videos; does this not make it as equally stale seeing the same sleights executed to poorly...

On the contrary, it's much more difficult to show people a live performance of cardistry than of magic (hence the reason you don't see ANY live cardistry videos). I'm sure you didn't mean to say this but it seems you are implying that cardistry is overall easier in every aspect and requires less...

My friend Tom Isaacson knew her before she exploded onto the scene and did magic for her, she loves magic. It will also help if you grew a beard and didn't take care of it for a while - it will help.