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A huge problem...

Aug 24, 2008
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hmmm

I think everyone who is suggesting effects is missing the point.

It doesn't really matter what is being performed, his friends have seen so much magic they are now at the point where they see it as a puzzle to try and work out, not as entertainment. There are many effects which could be used to fool them but what's the point? You can't get any significant reaction from people with this mindset, maybe just 'I didn't see that'. They'll probably just go away and discuss it and try and work out how it was done.

Squirrel is right my friend ,sorry but if i had that kind of friends i would simply not perform for them.It is just not worth it.Now if you wanna learn some new stuff:
D+M's THREE: many controls,a couple of double lifts and some great tricks.If you are interested in learning insane tricks,too, then get the whole trilogy.
Jay sankeys extremely ambitious:SO many controls and passes etc you cant imagine.It will help you make a great ACR also.

dont perform for your friends,but go out there and do some street magic,mate.
 
Mar 29, 2008
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I think thanatos’ problem, and some of the solutions provided to him, actually showcase what the “huge problem” with magicians really is. In simple terms, the magician often fools himself more than he really fools his audience. I would like to discuss that as an abridge to your problem, but first:

With your group of friends thanatos, I wonder how they gained knowledge of certain moves? Did you tell them? Did you flash to them? Did they look it up on Youtube? Nevertheless, trying to find magic to fool these friends is going to lead you away from doing good magic for other people – as you are basically on the search for “magician” foolers or to find a new technique to fool them with…until they figure that out…then, same problem. So, think about why they know what they know – and how you are doing magic in a way that only has them seeking solutions to the puzzle you are offering, and not wanting to experience what you are showing. It’s like know that I am watching a movie, and being educated on cinematography, but being SO busy critiquing the film – I miss the plot…I WOULD do that, if the plot was boring…actually, we all do. So, are you boring? Are your effects not worth looking past the technique? Are you doing the technique well? I wonder if I sat with your friends and did magic for them, if they would feel the same. My feelings are that you are new to magic, or at least new to magic methods in having a small arsenal to work with – if this is true, keep reading.


Let’s take this a step further on what the concept of spectator feedback is really doing in most cases:


Consider training an animal – operant conditioning – when a behaviour is increased by repeated stimulus. A mouse can be trained to push a bar when he realizes it is attached to a reward, in most cases food….similarity, many people feel that “catching” a magician is the reward, so if you are doing a move over and over, and a similar result is produced, it becomes easy for the repeat audiences to understand what is creating that outcome. For example, a double undercut equals control to a certain spot in the deck.


I read someone say they may be hecklers, but WE NEED people that try to “figure it out”, if they didn’t magic would be pointless. It is only after fooling keen observation that magic can be created. Trying NOT to be fooled is not being difficult, it is not being a heckler; and it is the audience’s unwritten role. Realize that there is a difference between someone trying to ruin your effect and ruining it by telling you they figured it out. In the former, it is them highlighting their insecurities, in the latter; it is you being overly concerned with your own insecurities. People don’t want to figure it out as much as they say they do – as they want to experience magic, not as a puzzle, but as a felling.


So, here is some advice – first, realize your friends are doing you a favour, as they are voicing something most audiences would be too polite to say. Second, this experience emphasizes the importance of varying your techniques – learn more moves. Third, STOP running.


You mentioned you did a DL to show it wasn’t on top – I think that is the wrong move. Like someone that would put a coin in one hand and say, where is it – they say, and you switch hands blatantly, and say…NOPE…then they point to the other…and you switch hands…showing the newly emptied hand clean…back and forth, you see my point. Once you start running, it muddles it up – it would have been better to peak the card, palm it out, or force it – then say...”you don’t trust me – shuffle yourself” – and then do whatever…get it back to where you need it, or do a different effect.


Consider how contrived you are with a deck of cards when you need to control it…compared to how laid back you are when it is forced…and returned ANYWHERE in the pack…and shuffled….THIS is another tell…another way that people can figure you out. Be more consistent – learn more – think about what the external reality is of what you are doing.

LAST POINT – if you can make procedures seem fair, do it slowly and cleanly, then it allows them to convince themselves. This is the goal – the goal is to have them convince themselves, not doing DL to try to convince them what you didn’t do, when you did – once you get that far into proving something, you are lost.

Stop performing for your friends...but only until your magic is good enough that friend or foe, you will fry them. Ultimately, the choice is yours on what you do with that feedback – but remember, as much as they want to figure it out…they don’t – so you are doing them a disservice by not listening to them…a disservice to your magic, future participants and yourself.
 
May 8, 2008
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I'm sorry and I don't want to sound harsh but I fully agree with Sq!rrel and everything he's said. If it's got to this stage, you either need to practice more or show them less. It's just how it is...
 
May 3, 2008
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morgician touched on something that ive been thinking about for a really long time and i thought i'd just share something with you guys.
many of us have, in our chase for NEW and VISUAL effects that are complete magician foolers, lost our sense of performance.
Sure, many of our close friends whom we perform to on a regular basis are familiar with sleights and whatnot because of our carelessness,and are always impressed with the new sleight or trick that they couldnt catch, but what about the strangers we approach?
Basically now we are going up to spectators with the mindset that they do not care about the "plot" but are trying desperately to catch our moves. In this way, we have reduced our performance to a catch-me-if-you-can chase with the spectators instead of communicating the magic to them.

i dont know how this relates at ALL to the original post, but it was something that bugged me for the longest time and i thought id share it with you guys. Cheers!
 
Jul 2, 2008
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I kind of agree with u Foo:L. Hmm i guess friends can be a pain and a blessing at times when improving your sleights and tricks, luckily magician friends are always good. Iv got another question. Me and my magician friend has problems approaching complete strangers to do magic, we feel nervous and stuff and cant approach people on a whim to perform. We just think the do you believe in magic line is kind of corny sometimes and even the excuse me can i show u something? is not really a thing which people will feel inclined to say yes. and people will probably give you the okay... this guys a weirdo, doesnt he have anything better to do then walk up to me and say random stuff like that kind of look lol. Thats when i start caring whether i screw my sleights up lol... rather then enjoying myself or making it an experience for them.
 
May 3, 2008
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About approaching strangers, its always good to introduce yourself first. Like yknow when those people with surveys come up and try to get you to participate?
also, try not to get people who look like they are rushing for something.
another thing you may want to do if approaching strangers, is to try and relax. They dont know you and will not be looking to catch you, so stay relaxed and establish a friendly rapport (or however its spelt)
 
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