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1. You have now made a thread moaning and your complaining about us moaning in a post...
2. The majority of this forum does help people and the jokes are not hurtfull anyway... There for a laugh.
3. So youre saying only mods know what there talking about and we shouldnt listen to anyone else because there wrong. How dare you talk to people like that! People like William Draven, Sidekick, ZMagic and others know stuff aswell and just because there moderators just mean they dont...
4. Its called constructive critism... You should be thankfull to those who are trying to help you improve. Even freaking Hannah Montana said nobodys perfect and you expect people to say 'AMAZING!' even if its terrible...
Listen I hope you are not mad with me with what I said on this but people are just trying to help you. It dosent matter who they are (Moderator or not...) They still have things to add. If you get someone who throws in a joke then laugh with them. If someone says something bad then write it down and improve upon it next time and dont get angry when its not perfect because it never will be.
2. The majority of this forum does help people and the jokes are not hurtfull anyway... There for a laugh.
3. So youre saying only mods know what there talking about and we shouldnt listen to anyone else because there wrong. How dare you talk to people like that! People like William Draven, Sidekick, ZMagic and others know stuff aswell and just because there moderators just mean they dont...
4. Its called constructive critism... You should be thankfull to those who are trying to help you improve. Even freaking Hannah Montana said nobodys perfect and you expect people to say 'AMAZING!' even if its terrible...
Listen I hope you are not mad with me with what I said on this but people are just trying to help you. It dosent matter who they are (Moderator or not...) They still have things to add. If you get someone who throws in a joke then laugh with them. If someone says something bad then write it down and improve upon it next time and dont get angry when its not perfect because it never will be.
Dude chill, maybe you should ask certain people instead of blowing up on everybody as a whole, whenever i'm asked something, I never try to bash someone ...i give the advice to the best of my knowledge....As far as I can remember, you never asked me not one question. Maybe if you had, you would get the type of help you need.
The one thing i can tell you is the fact that you must be able to handle the good and the bad. Thats something you don't have yet, which makes you green. You have to take the good and run with it. Take the bad and correct it or just find ways to handle your mistakes as well as harsh comments. There isn't a performer to date that has never had it easy when it comes to critics. Some people are gonna like you. Some are gonna hate you. Thats showbiz. Thats life. Thats called having a feel for the business. If you think for one second that your road is gonna be easy, think again.
Even people who's 30 times better than you and I will go through these things. Don't cry or pout about it. Have the thick skin to get through it. I'm not sure of your age, but if you are young, then you will feel discouraged by older people.
Now in your defense, I do think that there are some really cruel people here and they must realize that not everyone will get a effect or patter down at first. For that you are correct. But for your benefit, dude you have gotta get past people's negativity. IF not, you will not succeed.
Hope that helps...
Forums will always be filled with people who post rude comments.
Its inevitable. The internet provides a mask anyone can hide under to say as much crap as they want with no consiquences.
1.After reading the thread earlier, that really isn't as rude as it can get. The commenters were pretty much just being blunt and straightforward, easily mistaken for being rude. TokyoUW's comment was the worst and he was just being a sarcastic little bastard. Majority of the comments there were actually things you could take into advice. Within your own thread, you didn't answer any questions or respond to any advice except for the last one. Who's the rude one now?
2. You weren't really asking for help... you just posted a tutorial and expected thanks. You recieved relatively constructive critism and didn't like it. As said before, this is the internet. Every thread will be read and answered by atleast a few douches. So what? Just ignore it and read the helpful comments and respond to them. You won't gain anything from concentrating on hate comments. You may defend your point of view, but how does that help you?
3. That is a wrong moral ethic. Forums are for discussions. If everyone who was not a pro shut up about topics, then we would never develop as a community and as individuals. By acknowledging other people's points of views and inputting your own, we are able to understand where our paths meet and how they may be beneficial to each other. Some people will definitely be wrong... so what? Help them out. If the statistics really are 97% to 3%, then aren't the questioners to the answerers really outweighed in ratio? That would create a big problem. Discussion is what it is all about. Discuss and understand a topic. Input your opinion and discover new points of views. Expand your knowledge and understanding. Even if a view may be wrong, it can still be interesting to think about can't it?
4.This is a very... meh comment. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. There are those people who just don't listen and find that everyone else is wrong. In this case, harsh comments might put them in their place... you never know. Just adapt your criticism and comments accordingly...
Now I find that what you are saying is an over-reaction. Some people gave you constructive criticism or just opinions and you didn't like it. You acknowledge that you are 14 so you should know that it's about time to mature up and take things calmly and seriously. Something you don't like? fix it. Something that isn't worth fixing? ignore it. Something you don't like but may help you? Too bad, face it.
If you really feel you can't face haters on forums... then too bad... The only solution is to talk to magicians 1 on 1 online, in person, or communicate through a chatroom. Usually when on the spot talking is required, especially when seeing each other is involved, people are less harsh as they usually don't look the douche they act. It's also easier to give opinions with the tone you intend. It also forces immediate response so you can't run and hide from negative comments. It encourages discussion and reflection of the topic.
Its inevitable. The internet provides a mask anyone can hide under to say as much crap as they want with no consiquences.
1.After reading the thread earlier, that really isn't as rude as it can get. The commenters were pretty much just being blunt and straightforward, easily mistaken for being rude. TokyoUW's comment was the worst and he was just being a sarcastic little bastard. Majority of the comments there were actually things you could take into advice. Within your own thread, you didn't answer any questions or respond to any advice except for the last one. Who's the rude one now?
2. You weren't really asking for help... you just posted a tutorial and expected thanks. You recieved relatively constructive critism and didn't like it. As said before, this is the internet. Every thread will be read and answered by atleast a few douches. So what? Just ignore it and read the helpful comments and respond to them. You won't gain anything from concentrating on hate comments. You may defend your point of view, but how does that help you?
3. That is a wrong moral ethic. Forums are for discussions. If everyone who was not a pro shut up about topics, then we would never develop as a community and as individuals. By acknowledging other people's points of views and inputting your own, we are able to understand where our paths meet and how they may be beneficial to each other. Some people will definitely be wrong... so what? Help them out. If the statistics really are 97% to 3%, then aren't the questioners to the answerers really outweighed in ratio? That would create a big problem. Discussion is what it is all about. Discuss and understand a topic. Input your opinion and discover new points of views. Expand your knowledge and understanding. Even if a view may be wrong, it can still be interesting to think about can't it?
4.This is a very... meh comment. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. There are those people who just don't listen and find that everyone else is wrong. In this case, harsh comments might put them in their place... you never know. Just adapt your criticism and comments accordingly...
Now I find that what you are saying is an over-reaction. Some people gave you constructive criticism or just opinions and you didn't like it. You acknowledge that you are 14 so you should know that it's about time to mature up and take things calmly and seriously. Something you don't like? fix it. Something that isn't worth fixing? ignore it. Something you don't like but may help you? Too bad, face it.
If you really feel you can't face haters on forums... then too bad... The only solution is to talk to magicians 1 on 1 online, in person, or communicate through a chatroom. Usually when on the spot talking is required, especially when seeing each other is involved, people are less harsh as they usually don't look the douche they act. It's also easier to give opinions with the tone you intend. It also forces immediate response so you can't run and hide from negative comments. It encourages discussion and reflection of the topic.
you are just 14 years old...how do you dare to say people here knows nothing?theres a lot of people here that have a lot of experience since I feel you don`t have a lot of experience, I think is a little bit rush to say that...
in other side...I guess you are right in the way that people here is sometimes unrespectful and just want to play cool guy...it doesn`t make any sense to me...I have seen countless tricks posted here and people just say "oh!! that`s not original" or "stop wasting my time" or "you don`t know anything" instead of giving feedback...that`s why I don`t post my tricks in full view to all...just for few people to give honest feedback...
A lot of people here complains of hating magicians because they are ego monsters...when we can`t even accept that we were fooled by a trick or a sleight...it`s a contradiction...we hate each other when sometimes we are doing the same mistakes over an over
in other side...I guess you are right in the way that people here is sometimes unrespectful and just want to play cool guy...it doesn`t make any sense to me...I have seen countless tricks posted here and people just say "oh!! that`s not original" or "stop wasting my time" or "you don`t know anything" instead of giving feedback...that`s why I don`t post my tricks in full view to all...just for few people to give honest feedback...
A lot of people here complains of hating magicians because they are ego monsters...when we can`t even accept that we were fooled by a trick or a sleight...it`s a contradiction...we hate each other when sometimes we are doing the same mistakes over an over
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Lol.
Anyway, as you said before, you are 14, and you are a begginner. However, you are wrong to judge the comments that were written on your tutorial thread :
first of all, it's exposure.
Then, it's YOUTUBE exposure.
Finally, your video editing suggests "high standard" ; so, we are highly exigent. And we did highly criticize. Moreover, you can find some good insight on your thread, so you really shouldn't complain.
Lol.
Anyway, as you said before, you are 14, and you are a begginner. However, you are wrong to judge the comments that were written on your tutorial thread :
first of all, it's exposure.
Then, it's YOUTUBE exposure.
Finally, your video editing suggests "high standard" ; so, we are highly exigent. And we did highly criticize. Moreover, you can find some good insight on your thread, so you really shouldn't complain.
He is nowhere near a beginner. Check out his other videos on his youtube channel.
Anyways, I agree with this thread. Too often on here people get arrogant and sarcastic and avoid helping people. I think alot of people on here could be more mature.
To be honest, I don't think anyone in your previous thread was rude or out of line at all. At worst, I felt the majority of people were just indifferent and tried pointing you in the right directions.
Regardless, I have to admit that age does have something to do with credibility. As a 14-year-old, you probably don't have the knowledge a lot of others do. I'm obviously not saying all young magicians are untalented or ignorant. Having just gotten back from Magic-Con, I saw some awesome toddlers fool the freak out of me. I was also impressed with the level of thinking many younger individuals had on the art. However-- it's my opinion that a self-taught adolescent's understanding of magic is probably very elementary and unfocused in comparison to those with more years of experience. With that, you lacked credibility. It's admirable you wanted to share some knowledge you learned thus far, but it just lacked legitimate substance.
It was a well-made video of a sleight that was executed nicely. Unfortunately, it didn't have much thought or useful practicality behind it. I immediately noticed the lack of personal experience you inherently have with your age.
I'm by no means telling you to stop pursuing magic, but I'd encourage you to study more before you decide to share. Read books, find a mentor, and constantly have a student's mentality. Build a foundation and comprehend what's worthwhile to share in the future.
I hope this advice isn't too critical or sobering, but I think it's necessary to explain. And in response to your complaint about people needing to be more positive and friendly for a better forum atmosphere-- I would argue that you personally need to develop thicker skin. Only then will you improve and thrive as a performer. It doesn't matter if it's magicians or laymen-- as a performer, you're going to be judged. You might as well get it heavy from your peers. You don't have to follow everything, but just listen to what others say with a grain of salt.
Just some food for thought.
RS.
Regardless, I have to admit that age does have something to do with credibility. As a 14-year-old, you probably don't have the knowledge a lot of others do. I'm obviously not saying all young magicians are untalented or ignorant. Having just gotten back from Magic-Con, I saw some awesome toddlers fool the freak out of me. I was also impressed with the level of thinking many younger individuals had on the art. However-- it's my opinion that a self-taught adolescent's understanding of magic is probably very elementary and unfocused in comparison to those with more years of experience. With that, you lacked credibility. It's admirable you wanted to share some knowledge you learned thus far, but it just lacked legitimate substance.
It was a well-made video of a sleight that was executed nicely. Unfortunately, it didn't have much thought or useful practicality behind it. I immediately noticed the lack of personal experience you inherently have with your age.
I'm by no means telling you to stop pursuing magic, but I'd encourage you to study more before you decide to share. Read books, find a mentor, and constantly have a student's mentality. Build a foundation and comprehend what's worthwhile to share in the future.
I hope this advice isn't too critical or sobering, but I think it's necessary to explain. And in response to your complaint about people needing to be more positive and friendly for a better forum atmosphere-- I would argue that you personally need to develop thicker skin. Only then will you improve and thrive as a performer. It doesn't matter if it's magicians or laymen-- as a performer, you're going to be judged. You might as well get it heavy from your peers. You don't have to follow everything, but just listen to what others say with a grain of salt.
Just some food for thought.
RS.
hey kiddo,
i think people need to learn that constructive criticism =/= sucking each other off.
(romeo up there has the bestest advice you can take right now.)
in conclusion, im sure youre a pretty chill guy in real life, but hey, the internet is a harsh world for kids. grow/chin up.
i think people need to learn that constructive criticism =/= sucking each other off.
(romeo up there has the bestest advice you can take right now.)
in conclusion, im sure youre a pretty chill guy in real life, but hey, the internet is a harsh world for kids. grow/chin up.
Woah woah woah guys!
Casey, you really did not have to start an entirely new thread about something you could have just written in your original thread. In fact you DID post this in the original thread, so why you posted it twice is beyond me.
Do we encourage creativy in this forum? Hells yes. We strive for that. However, we do frown upon exposure. And even though you did come up with this on your own and independently, like others pointed out, it isn't new. I commend you 100% for coming up with this use of the Second Deal on your own, though it may have been a better choice to research a little bit, and ask around to see if it has been done before, which it has. The great thing about these forums is that a lot of our Artists are active on the forums, and I'm sure a quick PM to Jason England, one of the best second dealers out there, could and WOULD help you and give you advice on the move.
With that said, I do think some of the people who responded to your post were out of line, and rude. However not all of them. There were many people who gave you REAL criticism about the move, without being rude. You could have addressed the inconsiderate posters via PM/report button to any of the mods, and we would have handled it. Posting a thread calling the entire forum rude, is uncalled for. I am closing this thread, because there is no reason for it.
~Zach
Casey, you really did not have to start an entirely new thread about something you could have just written in your original thread. In fact you DID post this in the original thread, so why you posted it twice is beyond me.
Do we encourage creativy in this forum? Hells yes. We strive for that. However, we do frown upon exposure. And even though you did come up with this on your own and independently, like others pointed out, it isn't new. I commend you 100% for coming up with this use of the Second Deal on your own, though it may have been a better choice to research a little bit, and ask around to see if it has been done before, which it has. The great thing about these forums is that a lot of our Artists are active on the forums, and I'm sure a quick PM to Jason England, one of the best second dealers out there, could and WOULD help you and give you advice on the move.
With that said, I do think some of the people who responded to your post were out of line, and rude. However not all of them. There were many people who gave you REAL criticism about the move, without being rude. You could have addressed the inconsiderate posters via PM/report button to any of the mods, and we would have handled it. Posting a thread calling the entire forum rude, is uncalled for. I am closing this thread, because there is no reason for it.
~Zach
I half agree with you Casey Rudd, I understand that you may be annoyed at the people you posted in your second deal control or whatever but they do have a point, now maybe they said it to you in a negative way but you have made a mistake and its okay. We are all human.
I know some the members here in the forums are not the most kindest or the most experienced but there are the nice ones, rather than ranting on about the bad ones thank and greet the good ones. Ignore the bad ones and hopefully they will stop.
This reminds me of what David Regal said in The art of magic DVD (I am kind of paraphrasing): There will be always bad magicians and that makes the good magicians better because it means that the good magicians would be rare and a pleasure to watch.
I dont know if i got the quote right but I hope you understand my point.
I know some the members here in the forums are not the most kindest or the most experienced but there are the nice ones, rather than ranting on about the bad ones thank and greet the good ones. Ignore the bad ones and hopefully they will stop.
This reminds me of what David Regal said in The art of magic DVD (I am kind of paraphrasing): There will be always bad magicians and that makes the good magicians better because it means that the good magicians would be rare and a pleasure to watch.
I dont know if i got the quote right but I hope you understand my point.
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That said, as the original post has been removed by the user - I'm going to go ahead and close this thread. Feel free to PM me directly should you have any questions or concerns. Thanks guys!
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