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How do you present/structure your mentalism?

Nov 30, 2007
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Midlands, England
Hey guys,

I was wondering, how do you present your mentalism acts?

Do you say that you have special powers, that it's magic, or

Do you say you use techniques like reading body language, psychological suggestion etc. - even if you don't, or

Do you say it's all sleight of hand and illusion?



I'm not sure how to put mine across.

-Sam H
 

EJ

Mar 4, 2008
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I really don't say anything. I find if I present it a certain way, it kills the magic in a way. Instead, I let the spectator draw their own conclusions at to what they think it was.
 
Jan 13, 2008
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I try to use ambiguous phrases so as to leave it up to the spectator to draw their own conclusions. Stuff like "I'm feeling (or sensing) that you picked a red card...yes, I'm certain it's red. Now focus on the suit...hmm...I'm getting good vibes from you, you seem to have a loving personality; was it hearts? Alright, ..." you get the point. People use terms like "getting vibes" from people all the time in real life in non-magic situations, so I try to use terms like that, terms people would be familiar and comfortable with.

Of course, it also depends on the situation. In a business setting, I tend to go for a "reading people" type of feeling. Body language, subtle psychological cues, etc. Being a Psychology major really makes it that much more believable, because they assume I actually have the ability to make such subtle distinctions and whatnot.

So it's really situation dependent, although I tend to lean towards an ambiguous style the majority of the time. Why? Because it's what fits my character. :)
 
Oct 24, 2008
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Savannah, GA
Depends on what effects you're doing and how you ultimately string them together.

If you're asking for how others present: When I'm performing mentalism, I talk about how mind-reading is presented in popular media, and that it's impossible in that capacity. Honest psychics need simpler words, and they need the person they're reading to really concentrate on the thought. If the effect needs a billet, I use that as either proof for the rest of the audience, saying some people like to switch out thoughts on me, or I have them imagine the thought as a sound in their head and as words written down.

I present it as: mind-reading is possible, but I can't do it as strongly as other psychics. In fact, actual mind-reading has been glamorized, and the real stuff requires simple, strong thoughts. It's only when certain parts of the mind react to the thought that I'm able to pick up on it.

You've got Derren Brown, that presents his mentalism as psychology and reading body language, and people find that a more realistic sell. There, it's grounded in something more realistic, yet somewhat impossible - which makes it all the more fantastic.

Personally, I've never liked the "it's all sleight of hand" as a reason for magic or mentalism, but I think it makes even less sense for mentalism. With mentalism acts, you're not supposed to draw attention to possible billet switches or deceit, since it's more covered and more subtle. Seems counterintuitive.
 
Aug 31, 2007
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Hartford, CT
I do a "bait and switch".

Usually, in the case of a trick, I make up some bullpucky to explain "an experiment". For example, when I do something like PK Touch, I tell them about a "phenomenon" (which I completely made-up), that when two people work close together, or live together, there's a connection that is made that binds their experiences together. I even give it a phoney name, "Psycho-Transmition Kentics" or some such thing.

After performing the trick, I give the audience a beat and they are amazed. But as soon as they say something to me, I tell them that everything I said was a lie. I admit to them that there is no such thing as "Psycho-Transmition Kentics" and all I did was fool them.

That's when I get astonishment from them. I completely changed their way of thinking in one sentance. It actually shocks them because I take the time to build up this whole falsehood, completely lie about it, prove it and then in one breath, I negate the whole build up, yet the effect still has happened.

I also do hypnosis. With that though, before I even ask for people to come up into the audience, I tell them up front that what I do is nothing more than the same thing a movie does to them.

And with both cases, even when I tell them the absolute truth that this is a trick, I have no powers, that what I do is a trick (I don't say sleight of hand, I say trick), and there is no magic, no psychic powers, nothing supernatural, no ghosts, spirits or any of that phony stuff, the audience STILL believe that it exists or that I have "super powers".

I believe that as a magician and hypnotist that it's important to come out and say that you are a performer, nothing more. That even though I may have performed something that could be called a miricle, it is not. It's simply fooling people. It doesn't take away from the "astonishment factor" to let an audience know that there is no such thing as psychic powers or the like, in fact, knowing that that bull doesn't exist ADDS to the "astonishment factor".

Because to say "I have a power to read your mind" and then do it means you've told the secret. That also makes you more important than the effect that affects the audience. And that's just not what this art is about.

The audience has to walk away thinking about how they were affected. What they experienced, how they react to it. By saying "I have powers" or "This is real magic" takes that away. It puts the experience on YOU and not them. By telling them that what you did was a trick, and there is no magic, no powers, it puts the ball back into their court.

They have experienced something that can not happen.

That's what I go for.

.....sorry for the long post on a soapbox, but this is something that I am passionate about and one of the reasons why I got into this stuff....
 
Jan 13, 2008
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I tell them about a "phenomenon" (which I completely made-up), that when two people work close together, or live together, there's a connection that is made that binds their experiences together.
Fun fact: That's an actual phenomena. However, it's only true for girls, and only in one aspect of their lives. If two girls live together and share a connection of some sort, their hormones get picked up by each other and (sparing the details) there's a monthly occurrence that converges to approximately the same time for both of them. It's not something that can be sensed consciously, it's just a subtle thing the body picks up, and it only seems to work with close female friends. :)

And yes, I've made reference to that fact when doing a PK Touches routine (DG's Hair), and is why I prefer to do it with girls (or fairly new couples, but that has nothing to do with this, heh). And no, I don't get all graphic (not even as detailed as above)...my audience tends to be University students, so I just need to vaguely hint at it for them to know what I mean. :)
 
Nov 30, 2007
682
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Midlands, England
So, I have a small mentalism routine that I've themed around the idea of "Thoughts". I'm still stuck as to whether or not I should present it as "I'm reading, manipulating, destroying and changing your thoughts" (etc....), or to go with OwnerM's idea and tell the audience it was a lie.

Staying on that topic, can I ask - if I was to say to the audience that it was in fact, made up, could I say this after the first effect? Then proceed to perform more? Or should it only be said at the end?

Thanks again,

-Sam H
 
Oct 24, 2008
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Savannah, GA
So, I have a small mentalism routine that I've themed around the idea of "Thoughts". I'm still stuck as to whether or not I should present it as "I'm reading, manipulating, destroying and changing your thoughts" (etc....), or to go with OwnerM's idea and tell the audience it was a lie.

Staying on that topic, can I ask - if I was to say to the audience that it was in fact, made up, could I say this after the first effect? Then proceed to perform more? Or should it only be said at the end?

Thanks again,

-Sam H

Read this thread by Segachtek, who originally posted the idea, and also pay attention to Morgician's comments for a dissenting viewpoint - he raises some good points about such an approach.
 
Dec 14, 2007
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After performing the trick, I give the audience a beat and they are amazed. But as soon as they say something to me, I tell them that everything I said was a lie. I admit to them that there is no such thing as "Psycho-Transmition Kentics" and all I did was fool them.

That's when I get astonishment from them. I completely changed their way of thinking in one sentance. It actually shocks them because I take the time to build up this whole falsehood, completely lie about it, prove it and then in one breath, I negate the whole build up, yet the effect still has happened.

I think you have confused astonishment and disillusionment.

Brad Henderson
 
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