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How many tricks should I start with?

Feb 18, 2010
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How many tricks should a beginner start with? I recently bought Oz Pearlman's born to perform and the Ellusionist Crash Course in Card Magic. I've heard people say that I should learn 1 to 3 tricks first, while others say that I should learn as much as I can to get a feel for the different tricks out there.

Another question is, some tricks use the same sleights, for example ACR and Ultimate transpo, so this means that when I've learned either, I can also use the other trick in my routine right?

Thanks!
 

RickEverhart

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I do not know that there is a "correct" answer for you because everyone is different in the pace that they learn material.

I normally will work on two or three things at the same time for an extended period of time whereas someone else may believe that you can only do 1 effect until you have it mastered.

With the two sources you have listed, Born to Perform and Crash Course, you have a wealth of material for a beginner.

That being said, some of the effects may not suit you or your style.

If you are working one one effect and you are getting frustrated...you can move on to something else to "ease your mind" or take a break from the previous effect.
I do this sometimes and then will come back to the first effect.
 
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A HUGE. HUGE HUGE..Mistake I've been making and I really regret, has been learning too many effects at once. Have a very short list of effects, like 5 that you want to learn and don't move on until you get them down pat, presentation and all. Like you can do them without thinking.


Theory11 had one of their first videos with Lee Asher talking about how a good magician is good with like 3 tricks and a bad magician knows how to do a million tricks but can't do them well. Something like that, can't find the video nor can I quote it that well. But you get the point.
 
Nov 15, 2007
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Advice from some Pro's

I'd say learn at your own pace. I'd pick a few routines that you like and learn them well. Stick to them and perform them, even create new presentations for the effects. After you figure out what effects you enjoy performing the most you can learn some new ones.
 

Ola

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I say learn five effects and get reeeeal comfortable performing them - know you can do them well, and know that you don't have to be nervous when performing them.

I'll admit right know that I used to know too many effects, they weren't tied together, I didn't have a good enough presentation, and worst of all, when it came down to performing, I only remembered a triumph and pieces of my ACR..
Sometimes I remembered a really great effect, but more often than not - Triumph and ACR..

Learn five effects that you link together into a routine, and learn five more that you can give if the audience wants more when you're done with your set.
 
Aug 2, 2008
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I think Born to Perform, as said by others, is a great starter. I still use those tricks and they do well for me. So learn that material slowly until you are completely comfortable and you will have a good base. Good luck and welcome to T11!
 
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I personally think you can learn as many tricks as you want ... to know the secret but don't perform it yet. Let's say you learn 20 tricks, if you are starting in card magic, practice tricks that are easy but hits hard like 2 card monte or a simple transpo in the hand until you get them just right and then continue practicing the other tricks and when you think it looks good and clean, go out and perform it ...
 

Sean.Cinco

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I say rather than tricks, you should start with sleights first. Learn and practice your sleights and then go on to make your own tricks. You'll be surprised with what you can come up with on your own. Or if you want to go with some gimmicks, buy a gimmick and (I know people are going to get their pitchforks ready for this) don't read the instructions. Instead, see what you can come up with on your own and go from there. After all, the easiest things to practice are the things you come up with. At least I like to think so. Good luck!
 

RealityOne

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I personally think you can learn as many tricks as you want ... to know the secret but don't perform it yet. Let's say you learn 20 tricks, if you are starting in card magic, practice tricks that are easy but hits hard like 2 card monte or a simple transpo in the hand until you get them just right and then continue practicing the other tricks and when you think it looks good and clean, go out and perform it ...

I have to STRONGLY disagree. It is not a good idea to learn all the secrets first. Once you learn the secret, the desire is to find out the next secret and then the next and so on. After a while you know a lot of secrets but are unable to perform any effects. Also, do not try to learn 20 effects at the same time. You will end up mastering none of those effects.

My advice is to start with one effect. Learn the slights and the sequence. After you have the slights and sequence learned, put it together and practice the slights in sequence. When you can do the slights in the proper sequence without looking at your hands, then script out your patter (what you are going to say during the effect). Then rehearse the slights, in sequence, with the patter until you feel completely comfortable with performing the effect. As you are doing that last step, then, and only then, move on to learning the slights and sequence for the next effect. After you master three effects, go out and perform.

I say rather than tricks, you should start with sleights first. Learn and practice your sleights and then go on to make your own tricks. You'll be surprised with what you can come up with on your own. Or if you want to go with some gimmicks, buy a gimmick and (I know people are going to get their pitchforks ready for this) don't read the instructions. Instead, see what you can come up with on your own and go from there. After all, the easiest things to practice are the things you come up with. At least I like to think so. Good luck!

Again, I disagree. There is nothing wrong with learning slights, but there is little motivation to learn a slight if you don't have an effect in which you can use that slight. That is why books like Royal Road and Card College go over the slights and then teach effects that use the slights and why videos and some books teach the slights in the context of effects.

An added benefit to learning effects that use the slights is that you develop the ability to use the slights in sequence. That is, you never just take a deck and do a double lift or just do a pass. There usually is something that happens before the slight and something that happens after. By learning the slights in context of the effects you learn how to do get into and out of the slights more smoothly.

Finally, for an absolute beginner, it really doesn't make sense to try and come up with you own effects. At that point in your development as a magician, you don't have a good sense of how to structure an effect. I think the OP would be better off learning the effects on the DVDs one at a time, practicing them, rehearsing them with patter and then performing them.

Learn effects that have stood the test of time. There is a reason that those effects are considered classics. While learning and performing those effects think about what makes them work. Think about how they are structured and look at them from the spectator's point of view. Only after you have figured out what makes other people's effects work do you really have the knowledge to structure your own effects.
 
How many tricks should a beginner start with? I recently bought Oz Pearlman's born to perform and the Ellusionist Crash Course in Card Magic. I've heard people say that I should learn 1 to 3 tricks first, while others say that I should learn as much as I can to get a feel for the different tricks out there.

Another question is, some tricks use the same sleights, for example ACR and Ultimate transpo, so this means that when I've learned either, I can also use the other trick in my routine right?

Thanks!
listen to me buddy, and listen good, there is a problem i ran into when doing magic. It was performing magic tricks one behind the other. They lose their luster. What you want to do is learn as many as impromptu easy and hell, but good trick as you can. Then you can always end with something you bought of T11/E/ or Penguin/etc. get it.

use these powerful ones and closers...

now when i perform, i want call them small, but i'll perform some 3-7 normal tricks, then end with something really amazing like....its like a signature of a paper, you leave your stamp and what you just did, something that will leave them wanting more....u get it???

just learn as many keys, pencils, cards, and other every day ojbjects, then kill them with something like a geek effect, a pk effect, or a killer mentalism...just makes sure its big...ok????
 
There really isn't a set protocal for learning magic. I'd encourage you to follow your heart and desires. Try something new, if it looks like something you'd enjoy performing, and run with it. Just don't get yourself involved with too many effects that you don't properly learn them all. Nothing is worse than a half hearted performance.

with what you've got already you have more than enough material to keep you going for quite a while to come.
 
Feb 18, 2010
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Ok! Thanks! BTW, should I consider the ACR as just as one trick? Its composed of many sleights, and if I perform it, it takes a lot of time..
 

WitchDocIsIn

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The ACR is kind of in a class of its own. Really more a whole routine than a single trick.

How long is 'a lot of time'? ACRs, I find, are commonly far longer than they should be.
 
Aug 17, 2008
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Well, if you are just starting, and now that I think about it even if you don't have it and your not a just starting out, you have to get Mark Wilsons course in magic. Its a great book with effects ranging from cards to actual stage effects. If your just starting out, or even a "pro" there is still something in this book to learn from.


To answer your question... Its entirely up to you. But you should feel comftorble and not overwhelmed by the magic that you are trying to learn. When I first started out with magic 4 years ago I just wanted more and more magic. Then I would get overwhelmed and stressed out. Actually that still happens sometimes, all I do is take a break for about 3 to 4 days and after that I feel replenished. Its fine to know a lot of tricks, I think. Just go from learning a couple until you know them completely and then start the next couple. You don't want to get bored and just know 3 tricks, you want some variety, but you have to know the tricks well enough. Do NOT perform if you do not feel comftorble with that trick at that point in time. If you feel that way, then you know that you still have to practice.

Hope this helps.. If you have any other questions, feel free to PM me.


blake.
 
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There are no set rules to this, what you should do though is what ever feels right for you because at the end of the day your spectators can tell when you are uncomfortable. I would love to give you a better answer but learn lots and reherse a lot, however only perform when you are comfortable with the effects that you have chosen to perform.
 
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