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Is This What We Have Made Magic Become?

Sep 3, 2007
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So, as some of you know, this past weekend I travelled to Nebraska for my Step-Mom's Family Reunion. It was fun, but the best part of the trip was... performing magic. I got to perform four times throughout the trip, and I felt like I did a really good job. I'll go through the performances so you guys can revel in the awesomeness, but I'll save the one I'm concerned about for last. Here we go...

Performance Story Number 1

We were inside the auditorium thingy where we were having a reunion. I was performing for my Step-Grandpa (one of my biggest fans!), and a few other members of the family. I pattered about Blackjack, and dealt down two-twos. I split them into 4 Aces, and then "magically" produced the Four Jacks. At this point I looked up and there were now at least fifteen people surrounding me. I got a little bit nervous, but I kept going.

I asked if my Step-Grandpa would like to keep the Jacks or the Aces, and he said the Jacks, so I set them beside him, and kept the Aces for myself. One by one, the Aces switched out for the Jacks... each time a little more visually and better. But, at the climax of the effect, the Four Jacks then reverse the effect, and change back into the Four Aces, leaving the Jacks where they were at the start of the effect.

This effect got pretty darn good reactions, and I would have kept going... but the Polka Dancing had started, and seeing as how I was performing mostly for old people- I kinda sorta lost my crowd. Oh well. Still had fun.

Performance Story Number 2

This time, I was at my Step-Grandparents' house, at the kitchen table. I was asked to perform by my... Step-Great-Aunt, so I whipped out my handy dandy deck o' cards and went right into Five Speed... which I hadn't performed before. Just a funny story, the first time I had Dorothy (my Step-Great-Aunt) select a card, I turned around, and while she was showing it around she goes, "The Nine of Spades." Now, I just thought this was the normal thing where spectators think they're "tricking you" by saying out the wrong card... but she said the right card. :lol:

So, we had to have another card selected, memorized, lost, and shuffled into the deck (by Dorothy!). I about pooped my pants when she riffle shuffled the cards, though (people who own this effect will know why I almost had an accident). And yes, it was still my fault for allowing her to do it, but I had told her to shuffle Overhand, and then people were making fun of her because she wasn't a good shuffler, so she goes, "Well here, I'll just shuffle like this!" and begins the Riffle Shuffle. Oh well, it still turned out fine.

I went through the whole process of Five Speed, and got awesome reactions at the end, where the odd card appears where the Three of Spades should be. Pretty fun.

After that, I heard someone in the audience of like... 7 say that they really enjoyed my ACR (except the called it "The One Where I Signed The Card"), so I decided to give 'em a little treat and do it again. So I went on with my ACR, got pretty good reactions with it. I put the deck in my pocket and began to walk away, when I hear, "Can you do one more?"

So I take the cards back out, and begin Hungry Cannibals from Joshua Jay's "Session". One of my favorite effects of all time. I removed the Four Kings and set them on the table next to me. Next, I cut to two random cards to be our "victims". For those that don't know, the plot is basically the Four "Cannibal" Kings eat the two "Missionary Cards" or "Victims". So that happens, but this trick takes it a few steps further... two steps, to be exact.

The King of Diamonds slowly begins to "eat" the other cards, leaving a corner of each of the other three Kings blank, with bite marks. But to take it one step further, I take a big bite out of the cards, leaving a whole corner missing, with bite marks, then hand everything out for examination. As usual, this got good reactions.

Overall, I thought this was an awesomely fun performance, and I really enjoyed it.

Performance Story Number 3

For this one, we're back in the auditorium, and performing for my Step-Grandpa and a few other people that are around. This time, I perform The Biddle Trick, which went over pretty well. They responded well, and were talking about it for a good five minutes after I was done performing. This one's short, just because I didn't do much, and it didn't take very long.

Onwards to the good story!

Performance Story Number 4

So we're still at the auditorium, but this time it's about 10:00 PM, and we're outside (because of the blasting Polka music!). One of my Step-Mom's gajillion cousins requested a performance, so I started out with the Biddle Trick- one of my "go to" tricks when I'm asked to perform on the spot.

It went over well, but the spectator I was really performing for (there were about 6 other people there) didn't really react as well as I had hoped for. So I quickly got out the Two Black Aces and went into "Two Card Monte" with the "Memory Test" presentation. I really thought it was going to get awesome reactions... atleast from Kevin (the guy I was performing for).

I handed the deck to my Step-Grandma, and began to dramatically wave over the Aces in Kevin's hand. I can tell how excited you are. He turns them over, and is surprised to find Two Queens. He didn't react very much, so I went on to the revelation of the Two Black Aces face up in the deck I hadn't touched. He reacted, but not quite as well as I had hoped for.

Now, I put my cards away, and was talking to my Dad about something, when I heard some of the audience discussing my performance. I could tell a few of them really enjoyed it, but I heard Kevin say something that's been on my mind for a while now.

"I'll just go look it up on YouTube."

Now granted, I am the one who wrote an essay on "Blaming Your Spectators", and I'm going to sound like a huge hypocrite, but I don't think it was my performance that got this reaction. Maybe it was me performing, and the idea of a teenager performing brings the level of the art down... who knows.

But this statement really worried me, and I think all of us magicians... especially us younger ones, need to step it up a notch in our performances. I for one was shocked to hear this- as I had never gotten that reaction before. But I guess it happens to all of us eventually, and it's my personal goal to make my performances the best they've ever been, so I'll never have it happen again.

I hope you enjoyed my performance stories, and have some thoughts/discussion on the last one. Thanks for reading!
 
Sep 1, 2007
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Gah... I hate youtube... not really but the magic community at youtube I hate...

I'm ok if they tell you how to do a double lift... or some of the little magic things that a lot of people konw... or even teach you some unpublished flourishes


but I just hate it when they expose a whole trick and/or routine....

I just want to punch the computer screen when I see "____ revealed"

gah

but yeah.. how old are you... just wondering... like between 15 and 20? or lower?
 
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Glad to hear you had some good performances. About the last one though.... Honestly I do get that sometimes when I perform in school. When I perform for adults... I never get that. It's just teens. Whatever. None of them ever do go on Youtube. My most recent performance someone asked me "Did you do a double flip?" Of course I just acted as though I didn't know what they were talking about.

It is something that can't be avoided. Whatever. It's one person. Every once in a while you will get that. A person will just piss you off. Just move on. Everyone else enjoyed your magic. If laymen don't want to enjoy your magic then they don't have to. Some people just don't like being fooled. On the other hand... when I learn a new effect, I just think to myself that I wish someone else performed this to me in person. People are just different. No way around it. As long as you do your magic perfectly, they will almost never find what they are looking for on Youtube. Just don't perform for that person again. Clearly they don't like being fooled.

-Doug
 
I enjoyed your performance stories, thanks for sharing them.

Onto the discussion, while I never got the 'I'll look it up on youtube' from a spectator I have had some age issues (for the record I'm 14). My biggest 'fans' my grandparents respect me and beyond just being a family member and am considered a favoriteof theres...because of this they have given great reaction since they don't see age when it comes to performing. When I have performed to strangers (hadn't done street magic alot so I have little expieriences to pull things from) they seemed to be like 'ok' or 'cool' in reactions...and the effects were strong and well played out. It seems (age-based reaction) take from an old notion of, 'if he can do it I can' so they don't make much of it and pass it off as easy (also they don't seem to care about patter and see past it and only care about the actions of the deck).

~PaCo
 
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It didn't necessarily bother me that it happened to me- but just that YouTube exposure is infecting laymen finally. I never used to hear that, so I'm just a little disappointed- if not with the people who do look up effects online, then the people that post the exposure videos.

Zeanator- I'm almost 16... can't wait until I can drive so I can start getting some gigs... hopefully! :)
 
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I enjoyed your performance stories, thanks for sharing them.

No problem- glad you enjoyed them! I would have performed Believe, but for some reason I totally forgot about performing it! :confused:

Onto the discussion, while I never got the 'I'll look it up on youtube' from a spectator I have had some age issues (for the record I'm 14). My biggest 'fans' my grandparents respect me and beyond just being a family member and am considered a favoriteof theres...because of this they have given great reaction since they don't see age when it comes to performing. When I have performed to strangers (hadn't done street magic alot so I have little expieriences to pull things from) they seemed to be like 'ok' or 'cool' in reactions...and the effects were strong and well played out. It seems (age-based reaction) take from an old notion of, 'if he can do it I can' so they don't make much of it and pass it off as easy (also they don't seem to care about patter and see past it and only care about the actions of the deck).

~PaCo

I definitely know what you mean... it's hard to get past that age barrier- especially if you look younger than you are, like me. This was the first time I had ever receive that reaction, so I guess it kind of shocked me to hear it.
 
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this maybe just me but i think if we stick to originality (meaning create our own tricks) then they cant go to youtube. i try to keep original but it's kinda hard seeing as there is so much material out there
 
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this maybe just me but i think if we stick to originality (meaning create our own tricks) then they cant go to youtube. i try to keep original but it's kinda hard seeing as there is so much material out there

I'm not worried about them searching on YouTube- I flat out told him you can't find the stuff I perform on YouTube (even if that's a partial lie, I think it worked). I'm more worried about the fact that instead of being entertained and accepting it for what it was, he looks at it as a puzzle. I guess, in a way, I'm disappointed with my performance- although I can't find what I did wrong.
 
Jun 10, 2008
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You little stalker!
I dont think it was your performance that triggered the youtube reaction. I rememmber when i used to be like that and when i see a trick, i just look it up on youtube. Its just natural that when you see an awesome trick that you want to know how its done, everyone does that. Its just that some laymen dont know to respect the art as we do. They just think magic is just a cool thing to do just to show off and stuff.
 
Jul 14, 2008
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Thank you for sharing this story and I enjoyed it. Ya, I agreed with you, I hate Youtube for exposing magic. This is why I never give out names of the tricks that I perform because the "how it is done" is in youtube. Take it as an advice.
 
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This will happen to most during performance. Thats why I feed off the spectators reactions to choose what trick to do next. At that point do something more impossible i.e. Angle Zero or The Closer. Something that will go beyond "The hand is quicker than the eye." Hit them where it hurts.



-Michael
 
Jun 24, 2008
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Nice stories, I enjoyed reading them. I have gotten the "ill look it up on youtube" reaction since the first time i performed magic in highschool, but honestly they never do, you could do the same trick to them 2 days later and they still wont know how its done, or forgot about it all together. I dont think it was your performance, just the spectators attitude towards magic in general. But it sounds like you had fun, and had a good experience.
 
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I'm always surprised to hear about people saying 'i'll look it up on Youtube'. I've never had a single person mention Youtube, the thought of looking up a trick on Youtube doesn't seem to enter their mind at all.

How old was the guy you were performing for? Going home and looking up a trick on Youtube seems like quite a childish thing to do, everyone I know just wouldn't waste their time doing this (i'm 18). I suspect this problem is limited to younger audiences.

It doesn't sound like you did anything wrong, perhaps the guy just didn't like magic, some people don't.

I don't think Youtube will harm magic in any signficant way, it may be annoying for younger magicians but I think that is the extent of the problem.
 

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"Back when I was your age..."

In a past life, I was a history / political science academic, and I've always found it interesting how at any given age or era of any given field, there is always a strong suspicion that "things are getting worse," even in the face of a field getting demonstrably better.

It seems to me that magic -- both in terms of performance and appreciation -- is getting substantially better.

Thanks for sharing your stories; they were fun to read, and also enlightening. You are obviously a capable performer who is concerned about improving his craft, which means you are likely to go far with it, if you want to.

That said, Youtube, imho, is not destroying magic. Crabbypants like your target audience, Kevin, are inevitable. I, too, have gotten the "Oh, that's just a double-lift" from someone who is older than I am (and I am older than dirt), years before Youtube hit the scene. Some people enjoy magic because they like to be fooled; some enjoy it as a puzzle to be solved. Kevin, on the other hand, may represent the contingent that simply doesn't enjoy it, or at least, didn't enjoy it on that particular occasion -- for any number of possible reasons.

Let it slide. Comedians have to deal with hostile audience members all the time. The Youtube crack, it seems to me, wasn't about Youtube. It was about Kevin. Don't let his comment misdirect you. He was revealing himself and his attitude. (Mmmm. Magical metaphors.)

I'm not condoning Youtube revealers -- in fact, I'm thinking of putting together a video for Youtube to mock those revealers. Many of those folks are spoiling the mystique around magic for who knows what reason. But those guys are always around, using whatever venues they can find. Just as there are always more audiences, hungry for more magic in their entertainment (and visa versa).

In the meantime, bask in your success with those other performances you described. You sound like a class act; I hope to see you perform some time.

(But not on Youtube!)

--Allan
 
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It sounds like you had a great time, and got some terrific experience performing. I think the best part is that it made you look at your performance, not in the fact that maybe you didn't perform well, but with the conotation that maybe you could perform better, and how do you do so? Not sure how to anwaer that other than refine everything, if it doesn't enhance the effect get rid of it, and then practice, practice, practice.

As far as YouTube goes, I wouldn't worry about it. 1) If he does go to YouTube he will find a bunch of horrible performances, which will make your performance that much better, and 2) The effects you performed won't be too easy to find. As magicians it is easy for us to find the "Biddle Trick" for example, as we know the name. Most average laymen don't, so what are they going to type? "My selected card was in the magicians hands and then it disappeared only to reappear in the deck, face down, which I was holding on to the entire time trick"?

Even if he does find out how the trick was done, it will only diminish his perception of your performance. It will not diminish your performance . From what you have told us, everyone else really enjoyed your magic, at least until it was Polka time :D . That should be the most important thing. Think about it. Even if you only made one person happy, or gave them something to remember, they will remember it forever. From now on everytime someone mentions David Blaine or some magician they saw the other day, they will think of you. That is one hell of a power to bestow upon others.

Like I said above, don't worry about it. Some people don't like magic. Some people have to have an explanation for everything. Some people are easily confused and can't remember their card for longer than 3 seconds. You can't control everything, but you can control your performance. As a performaer your job is to connect with those who want to connect with you.
 
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I dont think it was your performance that triggered the youtube reaction. I rememmber when i used to be like that and when i see a trick, i just look it up on youtube. Its just natural that when you see an awesome trick that you want to know how its done, everyone does that. Its just that some laymen dont know to respect the art as we do. They just think magic is just a cool thing to do just to show off and stuff.

Yeah, I know- I was just disappointed, that's all.

Thank you for sharing this story and I enjoyed it. Ya, I agreed with you, I hate Youtube for exposing magic. This is why I never give out names of the tricks that I perform because the "how it is done" is in youtube. Take it as an advice.

No problem for sharing it. I would never, ever give out the names of my effects, unless the said person was a fellow magician. But thanks for trying to help out!

This will happen to most during performance. Thats why I feed off the spectators reactions to choose what trick to do next. At that point do something more impossible i.e. Angle Zero or The Closer. Something that will go beyond "The hand is quicker than the eye." Hit them where it hurts.

Good advice- but I don't believe in "showing up a spectator"... just not my thing.

Nice stories, I enjoyed reading them. I have gotten the "ill look it up on youtube" reaction since the first time i performed magic in highschool, but honestly they never do, you could do the same trick to them 2 days later and they still wont know how its done, or forgot about it all together. I dont think it was your performance, just the spectators attitude towards magic in general. But it sounds like you had fun, and had a good experience.

I agree- very few of 'em probably go through with it- but it doesn't make me feel any better about getting that type of a reaction. I didn't really think it was my performance, either, but maybe it was. Who knows? :confused:

In a past life, I was a history / political science academic, and I've always found it interesting how at any given age or era of any given field, there is always a strong suspicion that "things are getting worse," even in the face of a field getting demonstrably better.

It seems to me that magic -- both in terms of performance and appreciation -- is getting substantially better.

Thanks for sharing your stories; they were fun to read, and also enlightening. You are obviously a capable performer who is concerned about improving his craft, which means you are likely to go far with it, if you want to.

That said, Youtube, imho, is not destroying magic. Crabbypants like your target audience, Kevin, are inevitable. I, too, have gotten the "Oh, that's just a double-lift" from someone who is older than I am (and I am older than dirt), years before Youtube hit the scene. Some people enjoy magic because they like to be fooled; some enjoy it as a puzzle to be solved. Kevin, on the other hand, may represent the contingent that simply doesn't enjoy it, or at least, didn't enjoy it on that particular occasion -- for any number of possible reasons.

Let it slide. Comedians have to deal with hostile audience members all the time. The Youtube crack, it seems to me, wasn't about Youtube. It was about Kevin. Don't let his comment misdirect you. He was revealing himself and his attitude. (Mmmm. Magical metaphors.)

I'm not condoning Youtube revealers -- in fact, I'm thinking of putting together a video for Youtube to mock those revealers. Many of those folks are spoiling the mystique around magic for who knows what reason. But those guys are always around, using whatever venues they can find. Just as there are always more audiences, hungry for more magic in their entertainment (and visa versa).

In the meantime, bask in your success with those other performances you described. You sound like a class act; I hope to see you perform some time.

(But not on Youtube!)

Thanks for the kind words- especially those at the end!

I'm always surprised to hear about people saying 'i'll look it up on Youtube'. I've never had a single person mention Youtube, the thought of looking up a trick on Youtube doesn't seem to enter their mind at all.

How old was the guy you were performing for? Going home and looking up a trick on Youtube seems like quite a childish thing to do, everyone I know just wouldn't waste their time doing this (i'm 18). I suspect this problem is limited to younger audiences.

It doesn't sound like you did anything wrong, perhaps the guy just didn't like magic, some people don't.

I don't think Youtube will harm magic in any signficant way, it may be annoying for younger magicians but I think that is the extent of the problem.

The guy I was performing for was in his late 30's, so it's not just an age thing. A ego thing, more than likely. And I agree- YouTube won't harm magic in a big way- it's just disappointing to get those reactions, you know?

It sounds like you had a great time, and got some terrific experience performing. I think the best part is that it made you look at your performance, not in the fact that maybe you didn't perform well, but with the conotation that maybe you could perform better, and how do you do so? Not sure how to anwaer that other than refine everything, if it doesn't enhance the effect get rid of it, and then practice, practice, practice.

As far as YouTube goes, I wouldn't worry about it. 1) If he does go to YouTube he will find a bunch of horrible performances, which will make your performance that much better, and 2) The effects you performed won't be too easy to find. As magicians it is easy for us to find the "Biddle Trick" for example, as we know the name. Most average laymen don't, so what are they going to type? "My selected card was in the magicians hands and then it disappeared only to reappear in the deck, face down, which I was holding on to the entire time trick"?

Even if he does find out how the trick was done, it will only diminish his perception of your performance. It will not diminish your performance . From what you have told us, everyone else really enjoyed your magic, at least until it was Polka time . That should be the most important thing. Think about it. Even if you only made one person happy, or gave them something to remember, they will remember it forever. From now on everytime someone mentions David Blaine or some magician they saw the other day, they will think of you. That is one hell of a power to bestow upon others.

Like I said above, don't worry about it. Some people don't like magic. Some people have to have an explanation for everything. Some people are easily confused and can't remember their card for longer than 3 seconds. You can't control everything, but you can control your performance. As a performaer your job is to connect with those who want to connect with you.

The only thing I have to say to all that is- thanks for the kind words and advice!
 
Nov 30, 2007
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Very nicely written and a pleasure to read. I just got back from a magic show from my cousins. I performed some great effects and everyone at the end said that they expected beginner level tricks from me and got advanced tricks. So basically about what you said about age affecting you is something I often think about. I am 14 and I think people really underestimate you because of your age.

I think that many people think that maybe this kid is young and does this as a hobby. Since he is young it is not like he really has a big committment to it (which is totally untrue in my case). While if a older magician performs they think that he has more skill because option A he is probably a full time performer if he is doing magic and older than like 20 years old or option B he "looks" more professional because he is just plain older (even though I dress the occasion when I perform and show up in dress clothes usually).

I really feel that age affects your performance because of peoples perception that you are young and don't have skill. It is when you take out that deck of cards though and show them that trick you have done hundreds of times (maybe a little less) that really makes them sit back and let out a "WOW!". When you perform a good trick it shatters that glass wall (the wall that makes them doubt you are good because of age) and you become the "man of the hour".
 
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