Lazy

[chriswiehl]

What Happened to magicians?
better yet, what happened to us. the people who call themselves magicians.
I've been reading some posts lately and noticing how lazy we have gotten.
like i was reading a post for hand out hundy. Oh what if we want to hand it out? we cant change it back? or, use gimmicks? no way you cant hand out gimmicks, or thats impractical, i have to actually cut a bill, or cut some cards up and glue.
what next, oh i actually have to practice?
come on everyone. where is our dedication? where is our taking risks and actually doing something! Oh extreme burn? well i cant hand the bills out, its too hard to make.
WELL figure something out! thats the part of us being magicians. we figure out how to do things that are impossible. im getting tired of people being to lazy to advance any of this

 

[supernaturalone]

We need to look at our society as a whole and not just magicians. Discuss... I will elaborate later when I have time.

 

[Mr.MadMan]

We need to look at our society as a whole and not just magicians. Discuss... I will elaborate later when I have time.

Please go and read my post "How can we advance the art if we don´t advance ourselves?".

We have to work on ourselves thats the main thing.


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My thoughts on this:

What ive gotten to know in the past few weeks in volleyball is that everything comes too easy. Let me elaborate!

Today, it is easy to get info. I go to Google and i have it!
Its as easy as that..., but is it good.

My answer: A BIG FAT NO!!!!

The difference between our generation and the last one is the amount of info we have! We can get amazing stuff for amazingly fast and large quantities. Its awesome but is this what is good?

People have gone lazy and nothing else.

Alot of us know the basic effects: TnR, Here Than There, Pick a card i find, ACR and a lot else. And thats basically where our knowledge stays. And we make decisions based on those. If i were to come along with an original effect i would never get as much clicks as a TnR or ACR would get. Thanks to the net we have instant feedback, instant buying and selling, instant everything. It took a freaking book 10 years to travel around the world if it was GOOD!

Now look at us, some crap that is put out circles the globe thousands of times a DAY! And thats what is ruining us, parents give money to us and we buy crap that we actually dont like but is what we know to be good. I would rather make investments on something other than the most common things.

So my point, we are all spoiled but that takes out the boys from the men. The men are the ones that understand that inside this biig dump is precious info, info waiting to be discovered. And thats what makes us want to work, the feeling that we have something unique. In the old days it was with basically everything but now it is buried deep into the ground.

Cerca Trova, and be happy!

Mikk.

 

[DannyT]

The real problem is no one wants to be a risk taker.
They want fool proof effects that can't fail. Grow a pair!

Also, I think we're failing to be more creative, and to me that has a lot to do with being a magician.
Most guys out there only perform published effects from other artists. We all have the ability to think differently, yet we copy too much as if everyone else is more creative than yourself. I'd suggest taking a break from learning new effects for awhile and seeing what you can come up with on your own.


As for Hundy 500. It can't be handed out?
David Blaine had no problem with it. Hell, he gave the bills away for the people to keep. A little switch goes unnoticed.

 

[William Draven]

We need to look at our society as a whole and not just magicians. Discuss... I will elaborate later when I have time.

Like nails on a chalk board your simple demand to "discuss" irritates the unholy hell out of me while managing to press every pet peeve button that I own.

I'm not a monkey on a leash. I don't do things on command, nor do I feel you are of any position, or authority to make such a pointed statement.

Now that I got that off my chest maybe I will feel better.

 

[Deleted member 2755]

I don't think magicians in general say that. I think some people on HERE may say that. This is because of lack of experience. If they stick with magic, they will change.

-Doug

 

[William Draven]

What Happened to magicians?
better yet, what happened to us. the people who call themselves magicians.
I've been reading some posts lately and noticing how lazy we have gotten.
like i was reading a post for hand out hundy. Oh what if we want to hand it out? we cant change it back? or, use gimmicks? no way you cant hand out gimmicks, or thats impractical, i have to actually cut a bill, or cut some cards up and glue.
what next, oh i actually have to practice?
come on everyone. where is our dedication? where is our taking risks and actually doing something! Oh extreme burn? well i cant hand the bills out, its too hard to make.
WELL figure something out! thats the part of us being magicians. we figure out how to do things that are impossible. im getting tired of people being to lazy to advance any of this

Your statement holds true for most of the people here and maybe most of the youtubers.

However, in the real magic world I don't think this holds as much water. We do practice. A lot.

We also, like on forums, complain about the stupidest little things (sometimes rather loudly) for little to no personal gain.

Good point to practice, but I would be careful about making wide spread accusations that can include more people than it should. We don't all fit into that box.

 

[supernaturalone]

Mr. Draven,

Take a chill pill!


Now a small elaboration on this issue...

Technology, despite having it's many benefits, has it's many drawbacks. Laziness is a major side effect of technology. People are becoming extremely dependent on computers, as well as other technology. This became very apparent to me the one day at work. A new edition to our productivity arsenal has been walkie-talkies. While walking with my manager, we were discussing them, and at the time, he was using one. He stated, "I love these things, they save so much running around." After hearing this, I realized that, at the time, we were roughly 6 feet from the nearest phone, which could have done the same thing. This, in my opinion, was a perfect example of the laziness technology produces. While there was another form of technology right in the area, it was too difficult to use it. When I mentioned this, he said, "It's not laziness, it's just more efficient." The idea of laziness was passed off as efficiency. Being more efficient does not necessarily allude to laziness, but laziness is usually the motivator behind productivity.

Productivity is the ability to find a more efficient way to do something, but I personally believe that this motivation to find an easier way to do something has extended far beyond productivity. People have realized that finding an easier way not only improves performance, it allows more time for other non-work related activities. It was once stated in an article relating to the increasing laziness of society, "As a society, we will probably get lazier. We may not need to leave our house to take care of all of our daily chores: work, shopping, paying bills, and so on." This statement is the basis of my argument. If this technology were to be created, people would realize that there is so much unnecessary time spent out running errands. This could then cause a society that would never leave their home, and possibly not even leave their computer. This is a worst case scenario, and I would like to think that this would never happen. However, with the way voice-activated computers, multi-tasking cellular phones, and other laziness induced technologies are on the rise, I can's say that I'm absolutely sure. Voice-activated computers were originally created to allow the blind to more easily use their technology, but obviously they were found to be quite "productive."

 

[visualartist]

What Happened to magicians?
better yet, what happened to us. the people who call themselves magicians.
I've been reading some posts lately and noticing how lazy we have gotten.
like i was reading a post for hand out hundy. Oh what if we want to hand it out? we cant change it back? or, use gimmicks? no way you cant hand out gimmicks, or thats impractical, i have to actually cut a bill, or cut some cards up and glue.
what next, oh i actually have to practice?
come on everyone. where is our dedication? where is our taking risks and actually doing something! Oh extreme burn? well i cant hand the bills out, its too hard to make.
WELL figure something out! thats the part of us being magicians. we figure out how to do things that are impossible. im getting tired of people being to lazy to advance any of this

Why do you think nowadays all everyone wants to do is card tricks?
Even though no one will admit to it,its cause they're lazy and scared to try much else.
Theres a huge comfort in card tricks.

 

[visualartist]

Like nails on a chalk board your simple demand to "discuss" irritates the unholy hell out of me while managing to press every pet peeve button that I own.

I'm not a monkey on a leash. I don't do things on command, nor do I feel you are of any position, or authority to make such a pointed statement.

Now that I got that off my chest maybe I will feel better.

Also it doesnt need to be reminded or told to discuss on a thread dont you think? haha

 

[William Draven]

...I said it was a pet peeve.

 

[Fritts1223]

Why do you think nowadays all everyone wants to do is card tricks?
Even though no one will admit to it,its cause they're lazy and scared to try much else.
Theres a huge comfort in card tricks.

I think you are right for the most part.. but you can't say that just about card magicians.
Sure some of the younger guys will stick to cards and stay in that little comfort zone.
Just like a lot of coin magicians don't stray far from coins. ect.. ect..

I'm sure you're right that in a lot of their circumstances they are nervous or scared to try anything else. And too lazy to put in the extra practice.
But then again, a lot of the times it's just personal preference. And i don't think that should be criticized for doing what you like to do and what you're good at.

Musicians do the same thing. I mean, you don't see Taylor Swift singing hip hop. Or Beyonce singing country. For the most part they stick to their own genre.

 

[visualartist]

I think you are right for the most part.. but you can't say that just about card magicians.
Sure some of the younger guys will stick to cards and stay in that little comfort zone.
Just like a lot of coin magicians don't stray far from coins. ect.. ect..

I'm sure you're right that in a lot of their circumstances they are nervous or scared to try anything else. And too lazy to put in the extra practice.
But then again, a lot of the times it's just personal preference. And i don't think that should be criticized for doing what you like to do and what you're good at.

Musicians do the same thing. I mean, you don't see Taylor Swift singing hip hop. Or Beyonce singing country. For the most part they stick to their own genre.

Well setting aside people who specialize.
But most kids "specialize" just because they are scared or lazy.

 

[Fritts1223]

Well setting aside people who specialize.
But most kids "specialize" just because they are scared or lazy.

Kids, yes. I agree with you there.

 

[penguincdude]

Thank you I completely agree with you. I do feel a bit hypocritical telling people to get out and perform when I don't do so much myself but I'm definately making an effort and getting closer to that. I realize how much people try to use YouTube to promote themselves as a magician. I think, without the internet, there would be about half the magicians today that if we had it.

 

[ajp500]

I am surpise that people can go a year or two on card magic. I got bored of it. I wanted to learn magic not card magic. I do hope all "card specialist" out there try other types of magic.

 

[RDChopper]

Why the fu** insn't this on top? sweet lord have mercy.

 

[AsherF]

We live in a very lazy age. Not just magic in particular. It goes with music, writing, film making, etc... And then you have those that do it. In music we have the kids that play either "Fur Elise" or "My Immortal" and proceed to call themselves musicians. Or, a kid that writes a vampire love story knock off and calls themselves an author. A lot is handed to these people and for the most part, fame and success is often times sugar coated. It's a little more than a pretty face and a nice smile.

With magic. The same hand out is expected by a lot. Order a dvd, kit, whatever, and expect the powers to be handed down to you. What happened to taking the effect and really studying it. tearing it apart. Why does an effect HAVE to be easy? Why not take a risk now and again. The only thing that should hold you back from performing is not having it right, not the fact that it's not "practical". What is so wrong with performing a trick that is a beautiful morphing of cards, too perfect for the human eye. Catch: it can be examined, BUT, the card self destructs and the spectator could lose a finger holding it. Maybe an exaggeration.

Honestly, how can magic truly mean something to you if you aren't willing to do ANYTHING for it?