Social Project Poll

[cm763]

-> 10 of Spades
-> Caucasian (White)
-> Male

Note: Don't forget to limit your findings to just magicians that frequent T11 (and wherever else you gather data)...it's quite the small sample space, after all, that it'd be difficult to expand your results beyond that tiny subgroup.

Good luck with your little study!

 

[Sir FansAlot]

What Race do you associate with?
ex. Asian, Hispanic, Caucasian, Black, Carribian, etc...

Do you mean what race are you, or do you mean what race you hang out with? I can see your thesis now... "People that like the six of diamonds like to be around Asian people." "People that like black court cards are usually white but have black friends." I have a really hard time understanding how sociology classes turned out the way they did.

 

[cm763]

Do you mean what race are you, or do you mean what race you hang out with?

Probably "what race to you identify as?", seeing as race is a social construct, heavily dependent on how the individual would like to identify himself or herself.

For example, some people would prefer to identify as, say, just "White", despite having some other ancestry mixed in (or the other way around--preferring not to classify themselves as white, but rather their majority heritage, or whatever).

 

[Sir FansAlot]

Probably "what race to you identify as?", seeing as race is a social construct, heavily dependent on how the individual would like to identify himself or herself.

For example, some people would prefer to identify as, say, just "White", despite having some other ancestry mixed in (or the other way around--preferring not to classify themselves as white, but rather their majority heritage, or whatever).

Oh yeah, that race stuff is dependent on how you would like to identify yourself. I once had a black friend that identified to a white social group. He said he was white. Sociology at its best.

 

[cm763]

Oh yeah, that race stuff is dependent on how you would like to identify yourself. I once had a black friend that identified to a white social group. He said he was white. Sociology at its best.

All of the Social Sciences, actually (Sociology, Psychology, Anthropology), and Natural Sciences (Biology--there's no genetic link that differentiates us based on "race").

But yeah, who's to say the kid wasn't part white, and preferred to identify with his white heritage? If you wanted to look at a more realistic example, though, take someone who's like 75% white and 25% Hispanic--it's not surprising that there is a likelihood this person would identify as Hispanic (if not both Hispanic and white, which would be the most likely case).

Why is it so odd that a person would identify as something other than (or in addition to) what the colour of their skin would dictate?

 

[Sir FansAlot]

All of the Social Sciences, actually (Sociology, Psychology, Anthropology), and Natural Sciences (Biology--there's no genetic link that differentiates us based on "race").

But yeah, who's to say the kid wasn't part white, and preferred to identify with his white heritage? If you wanted to look at a more realistic example, though, take someone who's like 75% white and 25% Hispanic--it's not surprising that there is a likelihood this person would identify as Hispanic (if not both Hispanic and white, which would be the most likely case).

Why is it so odd that a person would identify as something other than (or in addition to) what the colour of their skin would dictate?

You couldn't be more right. I have like 1/16 of Cherokee blood in me and I would identify myself as Cherokee. But then, I would also be rational and understand that I am white. From what you are saying, if you have mixed blood you get the chance to pick what race you are. If you are unsure, ask your dad...

Just to answer the original post:

7 of spades,
White,
Male

I hope that helps.

 

[cm763]

You couldn't be more right. I have like 1/16 of Cherokee blood in me and I would identify myself as Cherokee.

That's fine.

But then, I would also be rational and understand that I am white.

How is identifying as Cherokee irrational, given that you are (hypothetically, I'm assuming), in fact, part Cherokee?

From what you are saying, if you have mixed blood you get the chance to pick what race you are.

Yes, you get to pick what you identify as. In fact, you don't even need the mixed blood.* Some people would prefer to embrace dual (or more) heritages, while some would opt to ignore parts of their heritage. Why do you have such a problem with that?

* Note that there's no actual genetic markers for "race"--it's completely a social construct. There is no "Chinese" genetic marker and "African" genetic marker--people decide what they are arbitrarily. This is unlike different species (or "races", if you prefer) of other animals (like dogs), where there is a genetic marker.

 

[Sir FansAlot]

All of the Social Sciences, actually (Sociology, Psychology, Anthropology), and Natural Sciences (Biology--there's no genetic link that differentiates us based on "race").

What about eye color? Has anyone figured that one out yet?

 

[cm763]

What about eye color? Has anyone figured that one out yet?

Yes. You may also be interested to note that eye colour is a trait. Further, skin colour is also a trait. Neither constitute a "race", though.

 

[chriswiehl]

I understand race is a social construct. but if you identify as what ever you are.
and yeah i am testing other people who arent magicians
thanks alot!

 

[Sir FansAlot]

Why do you have such a problem with that?

* Note that there's no actual genetic markers for "race"--it's completely a social construct. There is no "Chinese" genetic marker and "African" genetic marker--people decide what they are arbitrarily. This is unlike different species (or "races", if you prefer) of other animals (like dogs), where there is a genetic marker.

I think you should look into genetics to get your facts straight. There are so many markers that it becomes apparent when looking at other people. I don't know what kind of genetics lab you have set up.

 

[Bao Hoang]

8 of hearts

Asian male

 

[cm763]

I think you should look into genetics to get your facts straight. There are so many markers that it becomes apparent when looking at other people.

Just curious -- out of all the genetic markers there are, which would you consider the defining features of a race? Eye colour? Because different races do share eye colour. Skin colour? Because different races share skin colour. Facial features? Again, same story. This is especially true when you consider how mixed people really are.

I don't know what world you live in, but the world I live in is quite heterogeneous.

But whatever, to each their own, I suppose. Not everyone shares the same worldview.

 

[Sir FansAlot]

Just curious -- out of all the genetic markers there are, which would you consider the defining features of a race? Eye colour? Because different races do share eye colour. Skin colour? Because different races share skin colour. Facial features? Again, same story. This is especially true when you consider how mixed people really are.

I don't know what world you live in, but the world I live in is quite heterogeneous.

But whatever, to each their own, I suppose. Not everyone shares the same worldview.

I am far from considering someone's race as defining them. I look at everyone the same. But science can pluck your hair and tell you all of these things.

 

[cm763]

I am far from considering someone's race as defining them. I look at everyone the same.

Welllll...I wasn't talking about how you define a person, but rather a "race" as a construct (being that people often define themselves based on race, culture, etc). But, that's cool, too. I'm definitely in the camp of treating everyone equally, so it's nice to hear (...see, because it's text? ) that we agree on that point.

 

[Sir FansAlot]

Welllll...I wasn't talking about how you define a person, but rather a "race" as a construct (being that people often define themselves based on race, culture, etc). But, that's cool, too. I'm definitely in the camp of treating everyone equally, so it's nice to hear (...see, because it's text? ) that we agree on that point.

What happens when people fill the form out wrong? Check this box if you are... I probably could have put native American on my college application.

Again, Sociology at its best.

 

[DannyT]

Chris, I thought of the 2 of hearts, but that may be based off of another influence.
Male.
I'm white, but my rhymes is tight.

 

[cm763]

What happens when people fill the form out wrong? Check this box if you are... I probably could have put native American on my college application.

What you identify with and what the government legally sees you as are two very different things. We don't all see things the same way, after all (obviously, heh).

Again, Sociology at its best.

You mean the government.

But yeah...you don't like Sociology, I get it. Can we let this thread get back on topic? We've derailed it far enough, heh.

 

[Sir FansAlot]

Can we let this thread get back on topic? We've derailed it far enough, heh.

Good idea. Peace.