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Honky? The only time I've ever heard that word used was in 8 Mile.
Lol but I'm guessing it's cuz of the brain-train. NOT cuz you think I'm white.

HAHA! And if you actually read the whole thing:

Thanks!
 
Oct 2, 2008
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After much consideration, here i have. I noticed Steerpike is back, and i hope i can hinder some of your time for valueble judgement. I've read your topics on Ellusionist forums, always wanted to reply to them but never found the chance to get your attention. Now that this valuable topic has been created, i take this chance to improve myself more.

If there are any comments or judgements or suggestions, or whatever, they are most welcome. As it will help me find my style which i need.


Trick Selection

I like to do more of card magic as to anything else, because that was what got me interested in learning magic to begin with. Most of the effects which i do are impromptu, but i like to do tricks that require setups as well. Not so much for stacked decks because i have never performed with a stacked deck before. But anything in terms of the use of cards, which includes gimmicks, are my cup of tea. I love impromptu, i love gimmicked cards, i love cards.

I dont flourish at all, because i dont know how and i dont have that "pulse" for flourishing. But i like to watch flourishing, i just dont turn out to be them cool dudes. To me, flourishing is like a modern art, and i cant see me with that vibe.

The kind of effects i choose really depends on: the theme (or variant themes i can come up with) if i have to consider using them in my toolbox, and my usefulness/suitability. Im not too keen on effects that require me sitting at tables (like packet effects, or spec cuts to aces), i do mostly walk around card magic. When i see an effect i want to use, i will give myself two days of proper thinking, as to whether i will use learn it, or skeep it a mystery to myself forever - this is magic for me, keeping things a mystery. Leading in, within the the issue of "must haves" within a card effect, for myselve i believe the most imporant factor is whether or not i will enjoy performing that effect. If i do, no matter how much i have to shape the patter to my own, i will do it, ultimately because i desire to perform that effect. If the effect cannot surpass this first gate, then im good to go and perfect my other effects. Like Morg said, these tricks are here to enchance my character, otherwise i would be just a trick monkey. I like to perfect effects which make sense in terms of my character as a whole, i want people who i perform for get a (slight) feel of "Yeah, he looks like the kind of person that would do that.".

In terms of sleights, i will consider how much i will be using it, for example the LePaul Bluff Pass, i use it all the time. I love it. I read people saying how scared they are in doing the move, i dont get that at all, i use it all the time. Maybe its because they dont enjoy using it. I also put in a few mentalist effects into my performance, things like Dee's COLD, dM's OneEighty, that sort of thing. I choose those to specifically because it suits the situations i am performing in.

I try to be as honest as i can to myself within trick selection - what effects will i perform, what sleights i know i will definately use, how can i revamp them for my own use. I pick the effects i use mainly because i enjoy performing them, that it suits the situations im in (mostly walk around in large spacing areas/crowded areas/surrounded). And that it presents me as a whole. In Magic, i am performing/expressing/magnifying myself, i want myself to be a part of something called Magic.

I always tell people not to take the term "Magician" literally.


Character

I will try to be as honest as i can. In actual, i dont really know myself very clearly at all, Magic as forced me to find answers to my "souless questions" to the core. So i will try.

I see myself as a distant character, because of the way i was brought up, the people i was brought up with, the mentality i developed, things i learnt and was taught by very few strong influencial characters. My personality is of a hermit/traveller. I like to observe people and their daily lives, how they live it, how they react to certain things, i like to observe scenes, places, the sky, the atmosphere whether im on the street, in a coffee shop - where ever there is life, i like to spend my time introverted and undisturbed. Unless i am performing magic. I find myself doing those things all the time. I rarely find the need to tell people things, because i dont feel there is a need to, i rarely find myself bulging into people's business, im just on the side, listening to people's conversations and watching people's drama. I like to travel a lot when ever i am free of tasks i must attend to (IE if all my friends are busy, if my family is busy - which i get a lot of) then i will go travelling. Travelling as in going to places and being totally out of contact for a day or three. I was brought up with many travelling experiences in my youth, so i love travelling and learning new things of new people and their ways. Bringing Magic to them is delighting too.

I like to watch Anime - they are my alternative for books. Like books, people love reading them because the authors dont just write because they feel they have an idea of a story, but they want to input something more, deeper meaning, kind of like his personal message. Anime is the same for me. So many of my thinking styles relates closely to anime. I love Samurai's and how they are portrayed in animes. Samurai Champloo people, you gotta watch. Hip hop and Samurai's merge. Samurai's have this "Wanderer/Hermit" feel persona to them, thats why i like them.

In terms of person, i tend to joke around a lot. I am friendly. Harmoneous. People say i am humurous when i am myself, it comes naturally, i spark up funny moments where ever i am. I am honest and sincere, tolerant and giving. I bear no grudge against people, so im cool with everybody i meet. That is just one side of me though which people see everyday. I am a person with a serious mentality. I know my rights and wrongs, so i am rarely disrespectful to other people i meet. But most of this stuff is hidden, and i rarely talk about. Only very few close friends of mine know the type of person i am, so i dont have many friends, reason being the person i have become. I have a lot of aquiantances. When people talk to people in real life, you see the connecting towards each other, as it comes naturally; with me, when people try to converse, i see them hesistating.

If applied to magic, i dont know what my character is. This is the part i have been having trouble with. But i liked Paul Harris's term "Travelling Astonisher" in his popular essay i once read. I see everyone as Samurais and Travellers, maybe including myself.

"The Space Between Two Worlds" - Nujabes.

I dont know what i represent as a character. I dont really know how people see me, i dont know how i want myself to be seen by other people (or how other people see me for this matter). I've never given any of them much thought. Those were three points in finding my persona taught to me by Maya-Jid. I dont know how to answer those three questions.


Presentation

When i perform magic, i rarely like to give explainations as to what i am trying to present - i know people have notions and negative views of Magic, they dont know what it is, think it's childplay, so they dont take it to a serious level. I tend to analyse people before i do an effect, for example if i know the spectator is a full time logic brain, then i would link some of my effects with a psychological theme (not necessarily mind readin and all that), just to give the mood.

I dont like to present i have supernatural powers like Uri Geller, i just cant get past myself, i feel guilty, i just cant lie to myself when im trying to be honest. So i dont present magic as "Dude, i has teh power".

I think i am more leaned towards the side of "letting the spectators decide". When i manage to amaze someone, i normally find myself thanking them (as if what they experienced was quite normal in this world without logos). Maybe i treat it as a normal thing, maybe i present it like that too. Maybe replying their astonishment with a laugh of content.

I know that magic can go as far as making people question reality, but i dont know if i can run as far as that. I dont know if i do suspend disbelief either, i never given any of these much good thought. I am not the David Blaine type, the down to earth Danny Garcia appeals to me, Wayne Houchin appeals to me, Joel Paschall appeals to me, dM appeals to me too. When i present my magic, i dont think whether i want to present it as mind blowing, or skill with hands, psychology or anything - "all i have in mind is i want to perform the best i can this time".

I cant send people into emotioal overdrive, thats too mad.

But what i do know, the way i introduce my magic is quite frankly treating it as something most normal; by this i would mean, if i were to introduce an effect, it would be sort of like "Hey did you know? No? You didnt know?" that kind of persona. Maya-Jid used a good defintion of his (performance) persona: Honest Liar.

However in my experience of performing street magic for people, i never really found myself askin questions about them, or found them asking questions about me, that happens very rarely. Its like after i finished the effect, i leave them to their own amazement and carry on amazing others nearby. Like a Wander. Saving countless people.

A lot of the above is my honesty towards my take on those three questions.
 
Sep 3, 2007
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Shankutau:

Hey man. Back off steerpike's mine :) haha.

I was wondering if it'd be ok for me to analyze your style too? Cuz I see a lot of parallels between both of ours.

Haha you're a samurai and I'm a ninja!
 
Sep 3, 2007
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Shanutau:

I agree with you on the card tricks. What kinda gimmicks are you talking about? Dupes, odd backed cards? Short cards? Invisible decks?

I agree with you on flourishing. It's kinda like learning skateboard tricks to me.

I'm not a trick monkey, I'm a SPACE MONKEY!! (another fight club reference)

What makes you enjoy a trick or not? sleights? audience reacton?

I like the Bluff Pass too, I really like the variation taught in the Trilogy.

So basically cards are the theme of your performances and you can do all kinds of different things with them? (read minds, etc)

Can you name any specific tricks that you perform? Are they mostly pick a card tricks?

Do your card tricks use outside objects? Your mouth, sharpie, nails, etc?

You pick your tricks based on personal enjoyment and convenience (just an observation)

Character

samurai champloo! does the hip hop element come up at all in your performances?

you sound very easy going

I think basically after you pick a trick you like, you try to share it with your audiences and get them to appreciate it too.

Presentation:

simple, honest and very open

i like the term honest liar cuz it's an oxymoron that makes perfect sense in our context

can you explain the saving "countless people" part further?


You seem to be into simple (not in a derrogatory way) magic, simple presentations. I like simple too. You seem comfortable with your character. I think you should just stick with what you have and keep performing as much as you can.

But please name the tricks that you perform cuz that might change my opinions?
 
Sep 1, 2007
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A lot of the above is my honesty towards my take on those three questions.

The problem with those three questions is it sounds to me like you're trying to square peg your answer into them.

You keep bringing up the idea of the vagabond conjurer, but beyond that I'm not really getting a good sense of your character.
 
Oct 2, 2008
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Jinai.deviantart.com
As a response to my fellow asian (I'm Chinese btw), here goes:

What kinda gimmicks are you talking about? Dupes, odd backed cards? Short cards? Invisible decks?

The sort of gimmicks i enjoy using are ones that can be crafted, kind things dM makes, like Burn, or stuff like Ultra Gaff, blank cards.

What makes you enjoy a trick or not? sleights? audience reacton?

By enjoying i mean if i can use it in my performance, not necessarily easy tricks, but tricks which will help me always remember how hard i worked for before i performed it. Its sort of a crap explaination. Confucious asked us a simple question in his written texts: "Isn't it delightful to put to use what you always practice?". For me, this indeed is true. Not only do i practice, whether tricks whether sleights, i practice for using it, enjoying that i am using it, enjoying that i have been able to enjoy it/use it, enjoying that i am improving, enjoying that i am challenging myself to use those sleights/do those tricks. And by enjoy i mean, effects which i know can be made to suit most situations i'm in. Like some effects are spiritualistcal, you have to be infront of a specific audience, which doesnt really fit my persona, even if i tried to tweak it so.

To tell you the truth, audience reaction comes second. I do magic because its challenging. Audience reaction, whether good whether bad, is like my praise for my challenge. Like a taunt by the opposing General.

So basically cards are the theme of your performances and you can do all kinds of different things with them? (read minds, etc)

Yep.

Can you name any specific tricks that you perform? Are they mostly pick a card tricks?

Specific trics means tricks i perform the most, in actual i perform many of my effects which i learnt. It really depends on the situation i am in. If i know i can grab a spectator or a group to stay for the performance, after analysation with quick pick a card trick effects, i go onto the deeper stuff. I mostly use pick a card effect if i want to test somebody out, see wassup, what type of person they are. But these are only quick effects. I also use pick a card effects to hook them. But i prefer to perform Bad Influence as a subsitute. I dont want people who, after growing up with a notion of negative views on people who do "card tricks" do see the same notion in their first impression. Of couse, my main weapon is my cards, but i dont want them to feel they are going through the same routine of "pick a card, any card.". I want to give them something new, and something they can relate to with cards, kinda like relating to cards. Example is a psychological force.

But in actual, many card tricks are pick a card types anyhow, so i dont know what im trying to say.

Because im in walkaround situations, the effects i chose to use must be able to meet this criteria. I perform stuff like 2CM, Lapse, Overkill, OneEighty, Dr Daley's Ace trick and a Sandwich effect most of the time. Though i like to perform Triumph type effects, i only use them til last, like if i want to end my performance for a big group. Other than that, i dont think i perform much effects, though i know i have more, i perform those most because i want to play with them, tweal them, improve on them.

Do your card tricks use outside objects? Your mouth, sharpie, nails, etc?

Felt tip pen, Pad of paper, Pockets, spectators imagination. Othar than that, no.

You pick your tricks based on personal enjoyment and convenience (just an observation)

I wouldnt say convenience, like Darwin Ortiz said in Strong Magic, if for convenience then its just like downgrading magic into simple puzzles. Personal enjoyment is one reason. I want the spectators who see me perform feel comfortable. I dont want to me wearing suit and tie, all dressed clean, then funkin it out with flourishes (though some peeps may like it). I want the spectators who see me, my clothing, the way i speak, relate to what i am showing them. Its hard to explain, but certain effects fit certain people. So i pick effects which i think fit myself (back to the question, what is "myself"?).

samurai champloo! does the hip hop element come up at all in your performances?

Nope.

I think basically after you pick a trick you like, you try to share it with your audiences and get them to appreciate it too.

Yeah, i can say its kind like that as well. Maybe thats why i dont have that passion for driving people's mind into overdrive, not until they appreciate and be at comfort with what i do.

can you explain the saving "countless people" part further?

This is just my view on what magic is. Magic is an art to express self, through boundless means, magic exist. When someone asks me what magic is, i tell them that it is inconceivable, i cannot explain it. I ask myself why i choose to perform magic to other people, the reason is that when i begin learning about Magic, i too like other people took it literally - people with super powers who can bend spoons or read minds, people who can make money by the snap of the fingers, those bad notions. I want to share with people i perform for that people who do magic are not like that, magic is not about the things that are made, or things people see, its the experience, its understanding the thing. I tell people not to take magic as a literal meaning, yet dont downgrade it to another meaning - you dont know what magic is, let me show you a glimpse. Magic is me. But i cant make money from thin air for your pleasure. So i want to save people from the negative notion of magic. Its hard to explain.

Magic to me is like connecting people to people. When i perform Overkill, i dont tell them anything about pschology, or anything like that, i tell them about how everyone can do what i do - which people term "magic". Magic is something natural, but forgotten. Like letting people remember and appreciate many little things they forget about in their lives.

Also, Magic is a tool for me to let spectators see how different i am to other people, i dont want to stand out, but i want them to know Samurai's mingle in peasent crowds. For example, people are not content, they live by set routines, drug themselves with things they call entertainment, its like they've forgotten the Simple life. I want to remind them, that things like magic (which they see as tiny things), are not useless in their lives. I want magic to help them remember other things they term useless in life. I could say, being content is an emotional state, but peoples mind are scattered, are loud, are crazy, unstable, thus they seek out stimulations.

Magic is an introverted art, expressed through external connection, opening gates, leaading to be someone's else's state of mind. I enjoy spectators reaction the most when i see all their senses blocking away the external world, questioning their belief of what they saw, from what they were shown. I enjoy performing magic the most when i see spectators not giving any excuses at all, or building barriers. I perform magic to knock people back to innocence.
 
Sep 1, 2007
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I do? I dont know my character either.

Vagabond conjurer would be my own words. It's mostly in your references to the Paul Harris influence.

Nevertheless, I maintain that I don't really have a good sense of who you are. You have the philosophy of a miracle worker, yet you specialize in cards and describe it in a way that doesn't seem congruent.
 
Sep 1, 2007
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Not particularly. Sleep on it and try to organize your thoughts a little more. Focus on your intent and how you get that across, through tricks sure, but also through the image and persona that you present to people.
 
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Back in Time
You're not going to find your style till you try out different things and have been performing for awhile. Find things in magic that you like. Then start performing. After awhile you'll end up thinking about your personal style. Also I suggest you read Maximum Entertainment.
 


TRICK SELECTION



I don't do tricks that I don't personally like. (I'm a hobbyist after all.) But thanks to the number of great tricks out there that doesn't deter my ability to blow spec's minds off at all.


Mini speech-------------------------------------------------------------------------


I believe that you should throw the very best you have at an audience every single performance. It's rare that you get a second chance with people, and there is so much great stuff to chose from out there that One has no excuse for not using the cleanest, most powerful, most fun, most all around great material that you have.

Just thought I should say that as people tend to think that I'm crazy for shunning "good" tricks like they are crap. Well now you know that they might as well be as far as I'm concerned.


End Mini Speech----------------------------------------------------------------------


CHARACTER


I'm just a better version of myself. If my name was Clark Kent, Superman would be my magic character. (Yeah, yeah, it's a cliché, rip-off example but it's still, true.)


PRESENTATION


I go with the saying nothing method.













 
Sep 3, 2007
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Shakutau

I'm Chinese too! I thought you were Japanese from your username.

Ok. Organic gaffs the kind you can just leave in a deck if. Sounds similar to me.

If you're creating your own stuff then that's good. Cuz you tend to create the stuff that follows your own style.

Haha I was looking for a confucious reference to use in my performances. Thanks for reminding me.

How much does your performance change from group to group? Do you have your own stock lines?

Do you do any gambling or hustling effects?

Interesting I actually any negative stereotypes to my advantage. Just throw them off and laugh. First I have them pick a card and I just do the Amazing Jonathan gag about it jumping to the top and transforming into the ____. Then I lead into the rest of the routine. While I'm doing this, I am getting deeper and crazier at the same time.

What's the difference between Dr. Daley's Ace Trick and 2CM?

Pockets? You do a Card to Pocket? PM me and I'll teach u a really easy Card to Specator's Pocket.

I don't think that's exactly what Ortiz said. Isn't that if you challenge the audience then you downgrade it into puzzles.

I think you pick tricks based on convenience cuz you say

Im not too keen on effects that require me sitting at tables (like packet effects, or spec cuts to aces), i do mostly walk around card magic.

That's fine.

Good, one hip hop ninja hustler is enough!! (I found my character!)

Do you try to frame the way they appreciate it. Like what Steerpike said for me: skill and deception over mystery?. Cuz it doesn't look like you try to frame it at all.

When you do triumph do you use the classic story? or a show of skill in stacking cards? or my presentation about fung shui? chaos from order?

Peasants? Do you see yourself as superior to others?

Your saving people thing kinda sounds like my Tyler Durdenish side.

If you want to show people the simple beauty of life try some organic magic. You say you already create stuff. Try creating some stuff using everyday objects. Youtube Rocco Silano.
 
Sep 3, 2007
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4757joshua2

Again What is your criteria for whether or not you like a trick?

I agree with your point that we should only choose from the best.

So you're an exaggerated version of yourself when you perform?

I don't think the Superman analogy works.

Clark Kent is shy in regular life, but Superman is not. The way he acts mild manered is why people can't figure out that he's Superman.

Are you silent when you perform?


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Steerpike I google Count Victor Lustig and the story was very funny. I also listened to the story about Sky Thompson (the inspiratiion for Guys and Dolls)

Any more suggestions or questions?
 
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