Template errors

  • Template public:font_awesome_setup: [E_USER_WARNING] Template public:font_awesome_setup is unknown (src/XF/Template/Templater.php:781)
  • Template public:page_style: [E_WARNING] A non-numeric value encountered (/srv/private/xenforo/internal_data/code_cache/templates/l1/s8/public/page_style.php:101)
  • Template public:page_style: [E_WARNING] A non-numeric value encountered (/srv/private/xenforo/internal_data/code_cache/templates/l1/s8/public/page_style.php:155)
  • Template public:uix_config: [E_WARNING] A non-numeric value encountered (/srv/private/xenforo/internal_data/code_cache/templates/l1/s8/public/uix_config.php:31)
  • Template public:uix_config: [E_WARNING] A non-numeric value encountered (/srv/private/xenforo/internal_data/code_cache/templates/l1/s8/public/uix_config.php:32)

The "Click" Theory

Jun 10, 2008
1,277
0
You little stalker!
I haven't been into magic all that long, only 9 months. But through those 9 months i've discovered something. Something I call the Click Theory. It applies not only to magic, but anytime you're learn a new skill.

Lets start with the old phrase "Practice makes perfect". You've all heard that in a lot of places and most of the time it's true. Notice i said MOST OF THE TIME. My math teacher once said that while "Practice does make perfect, but imperfect practice makes imperfect". Meaning, if you practice something the wrong way for a long time, it's gonna be very hard to learn it the correct way.

With that in mind, i go into my theory. Ever move in magic, in cardistry, in guitar, in swimming, in juggling, in penspinning, in anything that takes skill, there's a "click" point. The "Click is just one simple subtlety that makes every fall into place. You could practice for hours on a move and once you find the "click", you can do the move perfectly in a few seconds.

I'll give an example. I learned the backstroke in swimming 2 years ago. Before that, i could only do freestyle. I was really uncomfortable on my back when i first began. When i got comfortable doing the backstroke, i found that i was going UBER slow. Like 1 inch per second. I had no idea what i was doing wrong. So i practiced it until my muscles ached, but still no luck. Then one day, a friend of mine told me something when i was at his pool party. He said, "You have to roll your shoulders" I tired it and guess what, i was instantly able to go 3 times faster than i used to. This was my "click"

Another example, when i first learned the charlier cut. I had a lot of difficulty pushing on the bottom packet cuz there wasn't enough room for it to move. However, i played around with it for a week and found that sometimes, it was super easy to push the packet up while other times it was super hard. So i observed the times that it was easy to push: What made those try's different? After another week i found that i had to have the deck at my fingertips before i start, that way there's much more room for the bottom packet to be pushed up. That was the "click"

Now I'm not saying that the click will replace practice. Not at all. Nothing will replace practicing, especially on difficult stuff like the Classic Pass, the Bottom Deal, The Clipshift, and the Second Deal, just finding the click doesn't mean you dont need to practice. But for those moves, once you find the "Click", you'll know that you are practicing it right. Which means that once you master the technique, you wont go back and find that your made on little error and spending almost twice the time correcting it.

For example, the classic pass. You could spend over 10 years on the classic pass and still not have it half decent. But if you search for that click, you will know you're doing it right, and it may only take you 5 years to perfect it.

Now the "click" can range from large to small. It could be like having an incorrect starting position. It can also be as small as moving your middle finger half a centimeter to the left. Even small movements like that can dramatically improve the move you're working on.

So next time you are practicing a move, and you can't seem to get it right, go back and read the instructions again. Or watch the video again, or ask on the forums. Make sure you have the right technique before you practice a lot. Cuz if you learn a move with the wrong technique, then you could spend twice the time just to correct it. Remember: "Imperfect practice makes imperfect"

So there's my theory. Let me know if you guys agree, disagree, and what are your thoughts on it. Thanks!
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Jul 29, 2008
155
0
First of all, awesome topic.
Second of all, I agree with what you've said, everyone just has to find what works first them, especially some knacky moves.
Like when I started out, learning the double lift, I had to see how my fingers and hand felt, was it smooth, what made it smooth and the pressure I had to apply to prevent it from spreading.

Peace, Bryan
 
Apr 27, 2008
1,805
2
Norway
Funnily enough, I learned FFS wrong, I was grabbign the middle packet with my middle finger and having to twist my arm around to grab it again from the bottom :rolleyes: = very slow.

Then one day it struck me why i was doing it so slow after watching d+M do it.

"CLICK".

I think I agree with you then ;)

Gustav
 
C

CaseyC

Guest
Wow lots of great threads popping up. This particular one caught my eye because i completely agree with you.
Drumming for example. A bunch of years ago during one of my drum lessons we were practicing off beats. For some reason i couldn't get it. Then all of a sudden i could just do it, not perfectly but it clicked. After the lesson, my brain felt a little weird, like new connections between the right and the left side had been made. It was trippy.

Same with the classic pass. After about 5 months into practice and filming it to see how it looked, nothing was improving and you could still see movement of the upper packet. I didn't know how to cover this without moving my right hand akwardly the side the hide the motion. Then i watched Akira Fuji's insane pass on youtube and saw him using a squaring action to hide the pass. I tried it and it helped a lot. It wasn't a huge click like the drumming thing but it was definetly an improvement. It then evolved into a riffle pass and now it is godly smooth.

It's amazing how little understandings of small subtilties in our heads seriously help to improve difficult moves, sleights or skills.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Feb 28, 2008
354
8
That's true... once it clicks you just get really proud of my self. It took me so long to get the Clip Shift even slightly reasonable. Without exposing, it just took me so long to get the first part of the move even in motion... maybe two months, and then one day it just started to happen and it was awesome.

I think practicing improperly is good too... It's not really practice, it's adjusting until you can find what works... at least, that's what it should be.
 
Sep 20, 2008
1,112
3
Yep, you're right. Not implying that i knew it beforehand, but you make a lot of sense. but in order to find your 'click' you have to practice the sleight or whatever beforehand. That's about the only thing i can add.

Good topic.
 
Jul 26, 2008
470
0
NJ
I know exactly what you're talking about. During my personal magic experience, I have found this true especially for the snap change, classic pass, and classic force.
 
Nov 30, 2007
682
1
Midlands, England
Yeahh, I totally agree with what is being said here.

I remember finding my "click" with Sybil. Before straddling the middle packet (which is the correct way), somehow I gripped it with my pinky at one end and my index at another. Very uncomfortable. It took me ages to re-learn it correctly, but I'm glad I did now. :)

-Sam H
 
Oct 15, 2008
826
0
Tennessee
I suppose essentially what we're talking about is getting "the knack" for a move, no? Even something like Downfall by d+M.

still havent found the "click" for downfall yet =D


I like you discovery, like alot of others said theres a big click in Sybil.
i had trouble clearing the packet taken by your left hand, and then one day it clicked move the link packet up and down.

i was excited haha.

and it does relate to alot of other things, like sports,music, etc.

you practice something over and over and over, and you just cant get it. people try to explain it too you, but it doesnt help.
you just have to get that click.

great thread, nicely done.
 
THis is muscle memory, while I was in JROTC I did armed drill for this team.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np4yYj0fu-M
When we taught new cadets how to drill we had to keep a very close eye on them because some cadets create very nasty habits that can taint there muscle memory, which takes twice the amount to work out the kinks.

Same thing applies to magic and I guess flourishing. Some things that I do to try and get as much memory into my muscles is to do a certain sleight or flourish over and over before I go to bed. Then I go to sleep and let my brain fully analyze the information.
 
Searching...
{[{ searchResultsCount }]} Results