The Destiny Effect

[KeenanG]

As much as I hope that your effect is truly exactly how you've described it...I'd have to agree with Aos.

There is no 'theoretical' way of performing the effect to exactly how you've described.

UNLESS, you've come up with real magic- a WHOLE other story... I'd have to say that the effect is indeed quite misleading.

Actually, it is not misleading at all and completely possible.

Get out of your way of thinking that is limited and think of other possibilities.

Keenan

 

[Aos]

Actually, it is not misleading at all and completely possible.

Get out of your way of thinking that is limited and think of other possibilities.

Keenan

youre wrong
its impossible
not to mention nonsensical
if the trick consists of only what he describes then why table the card and why have the magician be involved at all

 

[ThrallMind]

youre wrong
its impossible
not to mention nonsensical
if the trick consists of only what he describes then why table the card and why have the magician be involved at all

And this limits your creativity. Look at The Devils Touch by Daniel Madison. It performs exactly how it states. Nothing extra. Its an amazing effect. The way it is accomplished it awesome. Sounds impossible, yet it can be done.

After all, isn't magic about taking what is thought to be impossible and prove it to be plausible?

-ThrallMind

 

[KeenanG]

youre wrong
its impossible
not to mention nonsensical
if the trick consists of only what he describes then why table the card and why have the magician be involved at all

Excuse me?

Its impossible?

Well than, I guess that must explain why I have seen it performed on a number of times and the performer has explained the effect for me?

Right.

Keenan

 

[dummyisdumb]

Guys, you're forgetting who we're dealing with here.

 

[KeenanG]

Guys, you're forgetting who we're dealing with here.

True that.

I do not know his method, but I do knowthere is a method to do this.

Keenan

 

[Michael Kras]

Thank you all for your input and I apologize for a late reply.

No, the effect is certainly not impossible. The cards have the most common names I know written on them, both male and female. Things like David, Tom, Daniel, Rachel, etc. In a small manuscript I wrote up, I include a few charts of most common names per age group and gender. So yes, I have been thinking a lot about this.

And to dummyisdumb, How can you use such sarcasm when in fact it was YOU along with others who didn't believe a certain event I took part in and yet I proved it to be legit?

Thank you for your input, and a video will be put up sometime this coming week. In the mean time, feel free to share your thoughts or ask any questions you may have.

Michael

 

[dummyisdumb]

And to dummyisdumb, How can you use such sarcasm when in fact it was YOU along with others who didn't believe a certain event I took part in and yet I proved it to be legit?

You never proved it was legit ...

EDIT: Also, I never saw that thread until today.

[Edit by Moderator: Please refrain from attacking other members. Thanks.]

 

[Aos]

Excuse me?

Its impossible?

Well than, I guess that must explain why I have seen it performed on a number of times and the performer has explained the effect for me?

Right.

Keenan

Read what I said again
given the limitations of his description
its impossible
he has to be misstating a part of it
or not saying another step
(like taking the deck under the table and misdirecting the viewer for 5 minutes)
because as ive said before
if the trick consists of only what happens in his description
there is no reason for the magician to be involved

 

[dummyisdumb]

Read what I said again
given the limitations of his description
its impossible
he has to be misstating a part of it
or not saying another step
(like taking the deck under the table and misdirecting the viewer for 5 minutes)
because as ive said before
if the trick consists of only what happens in his description
there is no reason for the magician to be involved

Oh come on! As much as I agree that this trick is fake, the whole point of magic is to make the impossible possible.

 

[Michael Kras]

I am being totally honest when I say that I have indeed found a working method and it is indeed not impossible. Just wait for the video this week .

 

[Corey]

GUY's! WOH! Stop attacking him like that! Geese, you don't believe him, wait for you'r proof. I'm sure he can prove it, so just wait for you'r proof. If he says he can show you VIDEO proof, then just say something like, "I'll believe it when I see it." NOT, "It's a lie!" "You're not a well known name, it's a lie!" Just leave it be until later in the next couple of weeks, when he does show us the effect on vid, you might be suprised, you might not.
Personally, I say "Good job, if it really is as clean as you say."

 

[Sean_Raf]

Hey guys, sorry to bring this back up but this effect really interested me.

I was browsing for something else in an old site I used to visit and guess what I stumbled upon!!! http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/ftopic24529-0-asc-15.php

In that thread is asked the following question (also answered here but I noted something interesting)

"Can the spectator's named card be examined by the spectator?" (link)

That has been answered here, but not like this:

"Weeeell...no.

But the climax usually happens when you turn it over by picking it up. " (link)

It's that second line that got me, because from what Michael's saying... I got the impression that the spectator turned over the card.

"the card on the table is turned over by the spectator" (link)

I'm getting mixed messages here... because one of the answers makes me understand how this is possible... The other answer confuses me because if THEY turn the card over, then they're pretty much inspecting it...

- Sean

 

[Aos]

im not a big fan of these sales pitches
they are all contrived
show us the effect and get it over with

ps:

 

[emagician]

I thought that Matthew Bich created something like this.

 

[Aos]

I thought that Matthew Bich created something like this.

i was going to say that as well
are you thinking about his effect with the prediction in the bottle?

 

[Michael Kras]

Hello and thank you for more input. If it does indeed use double sided tape, how would I get their name card? I never look at the backs. The real work behind it is a special system, that's all I will say.

And yes, it is possible for a spec to turn it over, however it is an EXTREMELY bold move to do so. I've only done it once so far and it went well but I am terrified to do it again.

This also isn't really a sales pitch either.

 

[Shodan]

Then why?

All in all, it seems like you've put together a trick that's serving you well in performances. Good for you! But I honestly - in the nicest way possible - don't care! And neither should anyone else.

Questions? Comments? Feedback? Or just an excuse to say "Hey, look what I can do!" What's the point?

 

[Aos]

i know i just meant that it seems like you are selling the effect
or showing off

i think im speaking for everyone now:
show the trick!

 

[Michael Kras]

I will have a video up of it by the end of the week. Thank you for your continuin interest.