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This is kind of a weird question

Jun 5, 2010
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New York, New York
Hey guys I need a little help. I've gotten to a point where i'm starting to think things like, "It seems like 90% of the things that I do revolve around a deck of cards". Now don't get me wrong I love card Magic just as much as the next guy. But I feel as though i'm boring my audience after a while. Not saying that I want to start sawing people in half, but I wanted to learn some real world object magic to mix things up a bit. Anyone have some suggestions as far as effects that I could look into?
 
May 15, 2010
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Well, coin magic will definitely get peoples attention and people generally always have a coin or two. I would never get bored looking at money.

Rubber band magic is amazing as well. I don't generally have a deck on me all the time unless I got magic stuff going on that day but just to be sure I always have rubber bands. They are easy to cary around and when performed PROPERLY (yeah I am talking to you guys who don't get good reactions out of crazy mans handcuffs which is really an intermediate trick with the actual performance timing which is critical) rubber band magic can be very strong and fun.

Ring magic is cool too, I only perform one ring effect which I am still practicing since it is not at the professional level I want it to be. Check out a couple DVD trailers on google of ring magic stuff. There is this ring DVD on Ellusionist (blah) but it is impressive, I don't know if it also has tricks on it or just cool, almost flourish like effects. There is this one DVD called "The Ring Thing", don't know who it is by sadly. I'll look it up.

If this stuff doesn't cut it for your style, which I totally understand, deciding on magic tricks is like leaving me in the worlds largest candy shop with only allowing me to buy one type of candy. It will take forever. It is good to be picky though.
You said "Real World" I think spongeballs are the best way to go… (cricket sounds) Just Kidding, money effects would be great.

That is all I have at the moment. Does anyone else have some ideas?
 
Nov 7, 2008
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Hofstra Univ.
do not under estimate sponge balls!! I despise them. Loathe entirely. But I perform them almost every time i am asked to perform. Theres something about them that just gets everyone to respond to it.

To answer the OP-
I was in your spot. I was becoming a move monkey and hated it. I started learning rubberband magic. I actually love David Jade's Pixel because it seamlessly allows you to change over from cards to rubber bands.
When doing rubber band magic I try to use something of theirs. So while i'm opening with sponge balls, If there are girls around I immediately am looking at their wrists for the thin kind of hair ties or silly bands. I'm also looking for rings. I go into CMH with the sillybandz/hairties. Next I use a ring and rubber band and do a trick off of the DGPs. Then i go into the standard jumping ring routine and pretend to hand it back to them after executing a french drop and getting it on my finger during the (mis)direction.
That's my no-card-no-table 10 minute routine.

Hope that helped, and i'm more than open to hear feedback on the routine
~Chrisfecto
 
Oct 15, 2008
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Tennessee
Man I'm right there with you, cards will always be my first love. But I don't think I'm boring my spectators, I don't do more unless they ask me too. I'm more bored with myself.

So let me say Rubberbands are awesome, i have a routine i created using effects from Dan Harlan's DVD's.
I actually performed it tonight at the party and people love it.
I just received smoke and i can't wait to get out and try it.
I really don't like coins, but if you do i say go for that.
Art of Magic from Wayne Houchin has 1 or 2 things that aren't cards i like, and also thread by him would be fun.
Just some thoughts.

Something else that might help, is try different things with cards. Try tricks like, Angle zero by D mad, or Carbon paper. Tricks that don't follow the regular outlines that most tricks do.

Hope something there helps.
 
Apr 20, 2010
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People posted the good options.

Coins/Money are good because you will always have them on you.
Rubber bands are good beacuse they're almost always around you, easy to carry, and have endless amounts of hard hitting effects.
Rings, they're good for openers and to show off skill, but not so much anything else. They are fun though.
Sponge balls, despite being fairly cliche, are fun to perform and get great reactions when done well.
Matches and fire unlock new opportunities.
Plain mentalism works well.
 
I dont actually ever use a deck of cards, unless there is one present. I dont bring a deck with me. I try to perform effects with everyday objects, such as pens, rubberbands, coins, lighters etc. Not trying to self advertise but I have a cheap ebook on my site that might help you out here. Check my sig.

J.
 

wZEnigma

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Jun 17, 2009
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Ring magic is cool too, I only perform one ring effect which I am still practicing since it is not at the professional level I want it to be. Check out a couple DVD trailers on google of ring magic stuff. There is this ring DVD on Ellusionist (blah) but it is impressive, I don't know if it also has tricks on it or just cool, almost flourish like effects. There is this one DVD called "The Ring Thing", don't know who it is by sadly. I'll look it up.

Garrett Thomas.

Ian
 
I was in your position a year ago, and then I decided to become a move monkey. But anyway, mentalism is an amazing audience pleaser if that is what you want. There is something about delving into someone's mind that just freaks them out and amazes them at the same time. A nice thing about mentalism is that you can still use cards a little with it, allowing you to transition smoothly between the 2. Then after that, I would highly suggest loops. Levitate a dollar, their ring, your glasses. What I like about it is that you can wear one all day and then use it when you need it. It would be a good finisher after mentalism IMO.
 
Nov 20, 2007
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Sydney, Australia
Hey guys I need a little help. I've gotten to a point where i'm starting to think things like, "It seems like 90% of the things that I do revolve around a deck of cards". Now don't get me wrong I love card Magic just as much as the next guy. But I feel as though i'm boring my audience after a while. Not saying that I want to start sawing people in half, but I wanted to learn some real world object magic to mix things up a bit. Anyone have some suggestions as far as effects that I could look into?

Hi Crimson Ace,

I'm going to give you two answers to this question. One of them is along the lines of what everyone else has been saying. The other looks at your question from a very different angle and hasn't yet been addressed. I hope you'll consider them both.

Firstly, I think it's more than natural to want to branch out from cards. That was one difficulty during my long switch to mentalism - I had to get away from cards, albeit for different reasons. With that in mind, I'd recommend getting Tarbell's Complete Course. There's a ridiculous amount of material in there - with a ridiculous variety of items. It's old, but it's comprehensive. I also want to echo some comments on Tarbell that I have seen posted a few times. Tarbell is old, and a lot of things may appear outdated. But the beauty of it is that it is so comprehensive. You can find a good idea on every page. Yes, it's up to you to turn that idea into a modern piece. But if you do - you won't find much better material. The other great thing about Tarbell is that it teaches you about magic, as well as magic tricks.

Which brings me onto my second answer. I noticed you wrote the following:

"...I love card Magic just as much as the next guy. But I feel as though I'm boring my audience after a while."

There's a hidden assumption in this comment. The assumption is that magic is inherently interesting. The assumption is that your props are interesting - and that because you use cards too much, your magic will get boring.

This is not at all the case. The truth is that magic is not at all inherently interesting. To see some proof, look up a bad YouTube magician. Easy.

Rather - it is the performer that is interesting - things like personality and presentation.

Then consider, by way of example, the guys who do card magic all their lives, and only perform card magic. There are some real masters out there. If your assumption were true, then they would be boring after a while. But I know that I can watch guys like Tamariz for hours on end.

I will respectfully suggest one of two things: either you are simply imagining that you're boring your audience. Or... "But I feel as though i'm boring my audience after a while." Perhaps that's the case. Perhaps you are boring your audience. But it is not your props that is boring, if this is true, nor your magic - it is you.

Ultimately, it is the performer that is entertaining, not the magic. If you are entertaining, then your magic, assuming that it is on a sufficiently sound technical level, will also be entertaining. If your presentations are engaging and meaningful, your magic will be too.

Now, don't get me wrong - going by this answer, it is not to say that you should not diversify your skills. Do whatever you want - if you are bored of your magic, then you will appear boring. If you'd rather be performing something else somewhere else, it will show. You should also adapt your magic to your venue and your personal needs. Furthermore, it is certainly necessary to incorporate different sorts of effects - i.e. not having 20 pick a card find a card tricks. But the point of this second answer, I hope it will be understood, is to point out what appears to be a misconception in your attitude towards magic. It is this, more than anything else, which has the potential to hold back your magic, and ultimately make you boring.
 
Jun 10, 2010
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Hey guys I need a little help. I've gotten to a point where i'm starting to think things like, "It seems like 90% of the things that I do revolve around a deck of cards". Now don't get me wrong I love card Magic just as much as the next guy. But I feel as though i'm boring my audience after a while. Not saying that I want to start sawing people in half, but I wanted to learn some real world object magic to mix things up a bit. Anyone have some suggestions as far as effects that I could look into?

Get "Five" by Marcus Eddie and Daniel Garcia. Or DG's "Symphony". I don't have any of those, but I want those as they don't use cards that much. Oh, and don't forget Redline, by Dan Hauss (1-on-1). It's brilliant, and you'll probably be performing within 10 minutes of watching the video.
 

Sean.Cinco

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Sep 2, 2007
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www.seancinco.com
I dont actually ever use a deck of cards, unless there is one present. I dont bring a deck with me. I try to perform effects with everyday objects, such as pens, rubberbands, coins, lighters etc. Not trying to self advertise but I have a cheap ebook on my site that might help you out here. Check my sig.

J.

I've been trying to force myself to leave the cards at home and work with what's around you. It's funny what you can come up with on the spot when you don't have much around to work with.

To the OP, I would also suggest going into working with IT and loops. There are endless routines that can be done with both.
 
Sep 3, 2007
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Kentucky - Temporarily
Yes, utility gimmicks are great. Even better in my opinion though, are utility principles. Those take a LONG time to find and adapt though. Just read read read.

What I did, because I was faced with the same dilemma, was to leave everything at home and observe what types of things I saw or came into contact with on a daily basis. Then I searched for ideas using stuff like that. A cafeteria on my campus used metal silverware and my friends and I ate there every day, so I studied metal bending, and next time I was asked to perform, it seemed impromptu, unplanned, and completely mystifying.

|| sean ||
 
Jun 5, 2010
140
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New York, New York
When doing rubber band magic I try to use something of theirs. So while i'm opening with sponge balls, If there are girls around I immediately am looking at their wrists for the thin kind of hair ties or silly bands. I'm also looking for rings. I go into CMH with the sillybandz/hairties.

I never thought of using sillybandz. Thanks for the great suggestion
 
Jun 5, 2010
140
0
New York, New York
Something else that might help, is try different things with cards. Try tricks like, Angle zero by D mad, or Carbon paper. Tricks that don't follow the regular outlines that most tricks do.

I think that filling my card routines with material from Daniel Madison's Burn and Dangerous have helped me keep my card magic sanity. Those effects without a doubt standout.
 
Jun 5, 2010
140
0
New York, New York
Hi Crimson Ace,

I'm going to give you two answers to this question. One of them is along the lines of what everyone else has been saying. The other looks at your question from a very different angle and hasn't yet been addressed. I hope you'll consider them both.

Thanks for the advice. I think that my problem is mainly in the feeling that my audience won't remember each effect as its own Magical event but rather as a blur of card tricks with some fun dollar bill effects thrown in. But I completely get what you mean about being entertaining. I'll without a doubt take that to heart and work on it.
 
Nov 20, 2007
4,410
6
Sydney, Australia
Thanks for the advice. I think that my problem is mainly in the feeling that my audience won't remember each effect as its own Magical event but rather as a blur of card tricks with some fun dollar bill effects thrown in. But I completely get what you mean about being entertaining. I'll without a doubt take that to heart and work on it.

No worries! On what you said, allow me to share with you my favourite quote on theatre (which was my first love), that I think is very applicable to magic, and remembering magic:

"When a performance is over, what remains? Fun can be forgotten, but powerful emotion also disappears and good arguments lose their thread. When emotion and argument are harnessed to a wish from the audience to see more clearly into itself - then something in the mind burns. The event scorches onto the memory, an outline, a taste, a trace, a smell - a picture. It is the play's central image that remains, its silhouette, and if the elements are highly blended this silhouette will be its meaning, this shape will be the essence of what it has to say. When years later I think of a striking theatrical experience I find a kernel engraved on my memory - two tramps under a tree, an old woman dragging a cart, a sergeant dancing, three people on a sofa in Hell - or occasionally a trace deeper than any imagery. I haven't a hope of remembering the meanings precisely, but from the kernel I can construct a set of meanings. Then a purpose will have been served. A few hours could amend my thinking for life. This is almost but not quite impossible to achieve."

~Peter Brook, The Empty Space

Now the book itself is an excellent discourse on theatre - a compilation of four lectures he gave about the nature of theatre some decades ago - and is a book I strongly recommend to all magicians and mentalists to read. It is about theatre, of course, but I'm sure you can see how relevant it is to magic.

On the above quote more specifically, note what he says about how we process memories of theatre. We remember moments - images, emotions, senses - a picture - and nothing more. These moments will always stick with us. And when we recall them, we will recall those moments, and from those moments, we will create a meaning. This meaning will then affect us in some way, many years after we ourselves are forgotten.

I strongly believe theatre can change peoples lives. I know, because it has changed mine.

So take of this what you will, but based on your question, I would take away this:

-Create a strong central image with your performances (does not have to be visual images necessary - just a moment)
-Infuse your magic with definite images, moments, and meanings. Make sure that the moments lead to one meaning, and that the meaning, the theme, is clear, sustained, and uncluttered
-Allow them to feel based on the impossible

There is no doubt that the majority of what you do will be a blur in 10 years time. Very few people have memory that good. But if you do this right - they will remember a series of moments - an image, perhaps. One example that comes to me immediately is the final revelation of my Out of this World routine. They ALWAYS want to take photos - they want to remember that moment, and when they see it, they want to be reminded of how they felt. Because of this, this image now has meaning to them, and will affect them in the future. Another image I particularly like is one effect where the spectator holds my wrist in one hand and brushes my palm with her fingers of the other hand, inducing a visual hallucination. I mention this one to emphasise the point that when I say images, it does not have to be visual in the sense of a visual trick, but rather, an image with meaning (in this case, a moment of intimacy) - like what Peter writes.

Remember when I said that audiences want to convey how they felt, rather than what they saw? If you can allow them to remember a series of moments, they will remember them, they will remember how they feel, they will take from this some meaning that will affect them in some small way. This is the absolute pinnacle I think we can aim for. I certainly don't expect you to want to read more, since I tend to talk a lot - but if you are interested, check out the thread I created called "This is Magic - Aim High" - link in my sig - which talks about that pinnacle in more detail.

Either way, this, I think, is the process we need to aim for.
 
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