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Today's Lecture Results...

As some of you may know my science teacher set out to prove to my whole class that Santa Claus existed. Read This: http://forums.theory11.com/showthread.php?t=13811

So, let me tell you what became of this epic lecture. And let me tell you, this was one of the most amazing things I've ever heard, and you'll see why once you have read this. Let's get into it:

He explained this in three parts so I will break this up into three sections:
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PART 1: NEWTON

first, he read us this list of all of the things that make it impossible for Santa to exist. Here is a link to this list if you wish to read it. I highly recommend reading it before continuing or else nothing will make sense: http://www.daniweb.com/forums/thread15956.html

After reading this paper he then crumpled it up into a ball and throew it away. He then told us that he was going to disprove many of those statements using Einsteins theory of relativity. He also told us that the list was using some of Newtons laws and that it failed to include certain elements into the equation. But let's move on to Einstein now...
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PART 2: INFINITE TRIES = FACT

He called someone up to the board and set up a trash can and gave the student a baseball. He told the kid to drop the baseball into the trash can. So he did. He then explained that because there was a little distance between the basket and the kid that there was almost a 100% chance that the kid would make it.

He then had the student back up several feet an shoot. He made it and they repeated this until the kid was all the way across the room and missed. Our teacher then described how the farther you are away from something the less likely you are to make the basket. However, if you had the strength, unlimited time, and unlimited chances you would be able to throw that ball a football feilds length and could keep trying and eventually make it in.

He then explained that this was a fact. that strength + unlimited tries + Unlimited time= 100% chance that you would eventually make the shot. That was how he described fact from fiction.
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PART 3: BLACKBIRD

a while back there was a type of plane invented called a blackbird. They were made a certain way so that no radar could catch tem and they were so fast they could out run ANY missle or plane. They were classified until recent years however their top speed is still classified.

Thse planes were incredibly fast, but no where near as fast as Santa would be in orer to get to all of those houses. Read that list to see what I mean.
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PART 4: EINSTEIN & THE BLACKBIRDS

Albert Einstein, one of the greatest scientists ever, set up an expiriment, not to prove Santas existence, but to prove his own theory.

He got the U.S. military to allow him to use 2 of these planes. One plane would be turned on at the exact time but stay sationary, whereas the other one would fly to California and back. So here is what happened, the planes where turned on at the EXACT same time... right up to the 1 billionth fraction of a second and one of them took off.

The plane on the ground and the one in the air both were keeping track of time using their clocks, which were also started at the same time. The plane that went to California came back in 4 hours and both planes were shut down at the exact same time.

Then the clocks were examined... The plane that had never moved but had still been working had timed out 4 hours, just like it shoul've. However, the plane that went to California had timed: 3 hours and 54 minutes. This expiriment was repeated and the results were the same.

The conlcusion of this expiriment: The closer an object can get to light speed
(187,000,000 miles per second) the more time slows down. If anything ever reaches 187,000,000 miles per second, time will stand still for that object while it continues to travel.
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PART 5: GALAXIES

Our techer then told us about black holes in space. When a black hole fforms it can suck in stars, planets, asteroids, and even light. every time something is sucked in t creates a new galaxie, or demension if you prefer. There are new ones being created all of the time and it has been decided that there are infinity number of galaxies out there.

What does this prove? Well, in every galaxy there are different things hapening. And it is definite that in at least one if not more there is a world just like ours but where everything is opposite. (I would be black, have dark hair, and not do magic.) What does it have to do with Santa? You'll se in a minute...
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PART 6: CONCLUSION

Because there is definitely a galaxy where everything is oppostie then there must be a galaxy where Santa exists. There is even a 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 chance that Santa lives here or eventually could get here.

Two, We have learned that if Santa traveled at a speed about 7,000 times faster then the speed of light, then he would actually either stop time while he did his route or completely reverse time by a few hours while he did this giving him all of the time he needed.

It is also possible for a flying Reindeer to exist. We have not found one yet but there are close to 400,000 species of animals that still need to be discovered, therefor, not ruling out the possibility of flying reindeer.

also, if Santa traveled that fast and stopped and/or reversed tme then he would have have an infinite amount of time to deliver gifts, eat cookies, climb down chimneys, and get back home before daybreak. (The test with the ball and the trashcan demonstrates this.) Therefor making it one hundred percent certain that he could do all of those things.

Then my teacher said: "Although I never leave cookines out or anything I still go out every Christmas Eve and look into the sky, because there is a slim chance that Santa does reside in our demension. and if you ever find a present under your tree that doesn't have a tag, your parents swear they didn't put it there, and all of your sibling think Santa is fake making there no reason to lie... Well, you might have just missed Santa. You must have blinked for just a fraction of a second too long. Merry Christmas."

Than the bell rang and we all left...
 
Apr 27, 2008
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That sounded entirely plausible. Mythbusters should investigate ;)

Thanks for sharing! I love the quarks in science!

Gustav
 
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Wow that's really cool....i think you've convinced me that Santa actually exists. lol
 
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Wow even though that was long that accually makes sense it is plausible the plane thing its just cool though
 
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Although it sounds like you enjoyed the lecture I can't believe his points at all. It is impossible to travel at the speed of light. It is true that if he traveled at the speed of light he would stop time but that can't be. If anything was to travel at the speed of light it would just burn up in the atmosphere leaving Santa as a burnt pile of undigested cookies (if he was lucky). Therefore that point kind of ruins the whole lecture but I still enjoyed reading it!
 
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I'm not at all convinced by this.

Firstly, you seem to have completely misunderstood the term 'galaxy', a galaxy is a large grouping of stars, these all exist in the same universe and all follow the same laws of physics. There are an extremely large number of galaxies but they are certainly not infinite.

What this argument is basically saying is that there are many parallel universes, if there was an infinite amount (and they had different laws of physics) then it is infinitely probable that santa would exist in one of them.

However, we do not know whether this is true, the assertion that a new universe is created whenever something is sucked in is not an accepted theory at all, a black hole has an immensely powerful gravitational pull and everything pulled into it is crushed however there is no reason to believe that anything happens after this.

The assertion made in part 6 is not backed up at all by any evidence.

It is also possible for a flying Reindeer to exist. We have not found one yet but there are close to 400,000 species of animals that still need to be discovered, therefor, not ruling out the possibility of flying reindeer.

We don't rule out the possibility of flying reindeer simply because in the history of mankind nothing even closely resembling them has never been sighted (which is in my opinion a fairly good reason, especially considering how conspicuous they would be). More importantly, the structure of a reindeers body would almost certainly not support wings and there would be almost no possibility of a reindeer evolving wings. There's just no 'evolutionary pressure' for this to happen.

There's so many flaws in this argument, it doesn't hold up to even the slightest scrutiny, i'm not a scientist but I can see that there's a lot wrong with it. There's many other MAJOR problems I can't be bothered to point out.

I suggest you (and all the others who agree with this) actually think about it and see if it does hold up instead of mindlessly agreeing with it.

If there is in fact an infinite amount of universes then it is possible that a being resembling santa could exist however your argument does not prove this at all.
 
Aug 31, 2007
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Although it sounds like you enjoyed the lecture I can't believe his points at all. It is impossible to travel at the speed of light. It is true that if he traveled at the speed of light he would stop time but that can't be. If anything was to travel at the speed of light it would just burn up in the atmosphere leaving Santa as a burnt pile of undigested cookies (if he was lucky). Therefore that point kind of ruins the whole lecture but I still enjoyed reading it!

Hello, Santa is a wizard and creates a force field around himself so that he won't burn up.

Also, he need not go exactly the speed of light, just close enough that time slows enough for him to get his work done.
 
This was a fun read, thanks for typing it up.

I enjoyed his taking something fantastical and showing how with a little suspension of disbelief, anything's possible. Kinda like a magician.

It's funny because magicians are the most jaded, "prove it or shut your mouth" group around. Yet at the same time, magicians expect an audience to set aside their beliefs for a few moments and allow themselves to be mystified by something they know can't be true. The hypocrisy is fun to watch, at least.

When did we forget to let a little magic in?

Pj
 
Oct 24, 2008
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This was a fun read, thanks for typing it up.

I enjoyed his taking something fantastical and showing how with a little suspension of disbelief, anything's possible. Kinda like a magician.

It's funny because magicians are the most jaded, "prove it or shut your mouth" group around. Yet at the same time, magicians expect an audience to set aside their beliefs for a few moments and allow themselves to be mystified by something they know can't be true. The hypocrisy is fun to watch, at least.

When did we forget to let a little magic in?

Pj

This was quite literally the best post I've ever read in any magic forum.
 
Dec 18, 2008
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I can't believe you guys are debating on whether my existence is fact or fiction. The nerve of you kids these days... I work day in and day out, making everything from toys and bikes, to thumb tips and baked goods...for what? Nothing! Just to fall by the wayside and be make a mockery of by a group of incompetent magicians (!) :mad:

But as sad as it is, I've gotten used to it over the years. We work and work, and work some more, all day and every day, for just 1 day of the year. The other 364 days we're working. It never ends. This year though, I'm going to get **** faced on New Years Eve and have a jolly good time! Then we'll see if any of you spoiled bastards gets anything from me next year, with the exception of a nice big piece of coal! :mad::p


With Love,

Mrs. and Mr. Claus
 
Aug 31, 2007
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Ha that lecture is funny but certainly does not prove anything. Like other members have made clear, it has many flaws. It's like saying magicians can do real magic.
Santa isn't real.
 
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CaseyC

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I can't believe you guys are debating on whether my existence is fact or fiction. The nerve of you kids these days... I work day in and day out, making everything from toys and bikes, to thumb tips and baked goods...for what? Nothing! Just to fall by the wayside and be make a mockery of by a group of incompetent magicians (!) :mad:

But as sad as it is, I've gotten used to it over the years. We work and work, and work some more, all day and every day, for just 1 day of the year. The other 364 days we're working. It never ends. This year though, I'm going to get **** faced on New Years Eve and have a jolly good time! Then we'll see if any of you spoiled bastards gets anything from me next year, with the exception of a nice big piece of coal! :mad::p


With Love,

Mrs. and Mr. Claus

Yeah i'm with Santa!!! HE works hard!!
And of course he's real. DUH!!!
 
Nov 30, 2007
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I can't believe you guys are debating on whether my existence is fact or fiction. The nerve of you kids these days... I work day in and day out, making everything from toys and bikes, to thumb tips and baked goods...for what? Nothing! Just to fall by the wayside and be make a mockery of by a group of incompetent magicians (!) :mad:

But as sad as it is, I've gotten used to it over the years. We work and work, and work some more, all day and every day, for just 1 day of the year. The other 364 days we're working. It never ends. This year though, I'm going to get **** faced on New Years Eve and have a jolly good time! Then we'll see if any of you spoiled bastards gets anything from me next year, with the exception of a nice big piece of coal! :mad::p


With Love,

Mrs. and Mr. Claus

...I feel you made that account just for this thread...nice.
 
Nov 30, 2007
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Hello, Santa is a wizard and creates a force field around himself so that he won't burn up.

Also, he need not go exactly the speed of light, just close enough that time slows enough for him to get his work done.

He would still have a good chance of burning up even coming close to stopping time (enough for him to actually make all the present deliveries) or coming near the speed of light.
 
Although it sounds like you enjoyed the lecture I can't believe his points at all. It is impossible to travel at the speed of light. It is true that if he traveled at the speed of light he would stop time but that can't be. If anything was to travel at the speed of light it would just burn up in the atmosphere leaving Santa as a burnt pile of undigested cookies (if he was lucky). Therefore that point kind of ruins the whole lecture but I still enjoyed reading it!


no. That is one of his points. Basically, if Santa were to take off at that speed his Reindeetr would be reduced to ash and Santa would have tons of force placed on him, however, if time actually reversed then these elements would not be playing a role because they would not be comencing, they would be moving away from Santa.
 
I'm not at all convinced by this.

Firstly, you seem to have completely misunderstood the term 'galaxy', a galaxy is a large grouping of stars, these all exist in the same universe and all follow the same laws of physics. There are an extremely large number of galaxies but they are certainly not infinite.

What this argument is basically saying is that there are many parallel universes, if there was an infinite amount (and they had different laws of physics) then it is infinitely probable that santa would exist in one of them.

However, we do not know whether this is true, the assertion that a new universe is created whenever something is sucked in is not an accepted theory at all, a black hole has an immensely powerful gravitational pull and everything pulled into it is crushed however there is no reason to believe that anything happens after this.

The assertion made in part 6 is not backed up at all by any evidence.



We don't rule out the possibility of flying reindeer simply because in the history of mankind nothing even closely resembling them has never been sighted (which is in my opinion a fairly good reason, especially considering how conspicuous they would be). More importantly, the structure of a reindeers body would almost certainly not support wings and there would be almost no possibility of a reindeer evolving wings. There's just no 'evolutionary pressure' for this to happen.

There's so many flaws in this argument, it doesn't hold up to even the slightest scrutiny, i'm not a scientist but I can see that there's a lot wrong with it. There's many other MAJOR problems I can't be bothered to point out.

I suggest you (and all the others who agree with this) actually think about it and see if it does hold up instead of mindlessly agreeing with it.

If there is in fact an infinite amount of universes then it is possible that a being resembling santa could exist however your argument does not prove this at all.


All of the points you are brininging up were discussed but I had no time to take notes because each class is an hour long and he had to give this lecture in 1 hour, making him talk very fast. So I was unable to keep writing in unison with his words so I simply plotted out the main points. He did however cover all of these things. Sorry but I just couldn't keep up. I suppose it's my fault.
 
Ok, to much for me to go through right now. I mean the posts. The whole lecture sounded great. I've got my views, but i'll keep them to myself right now because, well, I don't feel like typing THAT much stuff right now lol. (long day) But I do have this one little thing. I think that you're all wrong in calling him santa. For the sake of argument lets say that everything form the lecture was true. Maybe his name isn't santa... Maybe it's Ralph... That's all I got right now lol. MERRY MAS!
 
Apr 28, 2008
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Hey, Squ!rell, is it possible for a card to rise through the deck?

No. It's possible to make it appear that it is though, not quite sure what your point is.

All of the points you are brininging up were discussed but I had no time to take notes because each class is an hour long and he had to give this lecture in 1 hour, making him talk very fast. So I was unable to keep writing in unison with his words so I simply plotted out the main points. He did however cover all of these things. Sorry but I just couldn't keep up. I suppose it's my fault.

It doesn't matter what he said, several of the points have massive flaws in them, not things that could be explained either, there's simply no evidence for them, it doesn't matter what he said, there's no way to prove (or any reason to believe in the first place) that a new universe is formed when an object is pulled into a black hole.

However, if you could remember any of the responses I would be interested to know what they are.

It's funny because magicians are the most jaded, "prove it or shut your mouth" group around. Yet at the same time, magicians expect an audience to set aside their beliefs for a few moments and allow themselves to be mystified by something they know can't be true. The hypocrisy is fun to watch, at least.

I don't see how pointing out flaws in a scientific argument is in anyway hypocritical. A reasonable comparison might be trying to disprove anything christmas related with science (which could most certainly be done) as soon as anybody mentions it just for the sake of it. This is not the same as responding to a scientific argument in favour of santa.

I have no problem sitting back and enjoying the magic of christmas, it's entirely different when somebodys actively trying to prove it though.
 
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