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When the spectator makes an honest mistake...
- Thread starter cedwards90
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This happened to me once, I was using a one way forcing deck that was all 3 of hearts.........And she saw a 5......Now that is skill.
Ok, i don't know if people have suggested this, but i'll give you some advice.
1. Use this line, it's the one i use all the time "Pick any card you want. That's one? Ok. Take a look at that card, and memorize it. Be sure to remember it or this trick will not work." That last line is key.
2. You can cull the card, and palm it into your pocket. "This wasn't your card? Well what was your card? The 4 of spades? No, that couldn't have been your card (Cull the card as you spread through the deck to look for their card) because that card is the one card i keep in my pocket...."
1. Use this line, it's the one i use all the time "Pick any card you want. That's one? Ok. Take a look at that card, and memorize it. Be sure to remember it or this trick will not work." That last line is key.
2. You can cull the card, and palm it into your pocket. "This wasn't your card? Well what was your card? The 4 of spades? No, that couldn't have been your card (Cull the card as you spread through the deck to look for their card) because that card is the one card i keep in my pocket...."
thanks for all the pointers, but still a lot of people are missing the point. I am not trying to learn how to help spectators remember cards, but what to do if you do all the right things and the spectator is convinced they are right. Some people are being helpful but others need to read more carefully..
you mean more things like Shades fan suggested? If so, an Invisible Deck would work, "Oh, that wasn't your card? Well I have this other deck and...." I have one of those gag cards with all the cards printed on it that I keep in my wallet, so I can use it as a joke "oh that's not your card? well I always carry this card in my wallet and....".
I'm a bit confused on what your asking for....Hope this helps a little...
I'm a bit confused on what your asking for....Hope this helps a little...
Im sorry if i dont see how my question is confusing
if the spectator remembers their card incorrectly, after it becomes apparent, what do you say to save the situation
if the spectator remembers their card incorrectly, after it becomes apparent, what do you say to save the situation
Ok, i'm sorry I misunderstood, i'm gonna leave now because i'm probably coming off as an idiot, I have a way of doing that.....
i do have the advocate and love it, i haven't become efficent enough with it to carry it everywhere i go.
best answer so far
simplicity people
best answer so far
simplicity people
Ever heard of the phrase prevention is better than a cure? I know where you're coming from, but I do think you should listen to the guys who have told you how to prevent it more. It seems you're only looking for one version of an answer, the one you've cemented in your mind, when in reality many of these are good answers.
That said, to give you some specifics... Cull the card, and then do whatever you like with it. If you use a memorised deck, you can easily locate the card that way also. Or, openly pick out their card, and begin an ACR "That's the only card I can't perform magic with - it just doesn't do what it's told!"
That said, to give you some specifics... Cull the card, and then do whatever you like with it. If you use a memorised deck, you can easily locate the card that way also. Or, openly pick out their card, and begin an ACR "That's the only card I can't perform magic with - it just doesn't do what it's told!"
My application for the advocate is what i call card from shoe.
I ask for a card to be named in your case its the card "they remember." I usually say somehting to the effect was on the way into [wherever you are] you say you stepped in some gum or something else. As i'm doing this i'm drawing attention to my opposite foot of the advocate. And from there I say "i just can't seem to get it cleaned off" as i say the word clean all in one motion i reach for my foot as it comes up and make the card seemingly appear from my shoe.
I ask for a card to be named in your case its the card "they remember." I usually say somehting to the effect was on the way into [wherever you are] you say you stepped in some gum or something else. As i'm doing this i'm drawing attention to my opposite foot of the advocate. And from there I say "i just can't seem to get it cleaned off" as i say the word clean all in one motion i reach for my foot as it comes up and make the card seemingly appear from my shoe.
Ok, first off, to the people who have been suggesting endless methods of the spectator remembering the card. He said at the beginning that this has just happened twice, its not his performance swine flu. Various techniques of having them remember the card are, in my opinion, nearly pointless. Why you ask? I shall explain.
When you are performing, the selected card should be one of the smallest points of focus in the whole routine. Putting focus on remembering the card puts way to much attention on that specific part of the effect which should be, in actuality, the smallest part of the effect.
So a spectator forgets their card, big whoop. Know how to recover (I suggested a simple method pages ago) and make sure they do remember YOU. Thats the important thing, not 101 ways of increasing spectator memory.
C
When you are performing, the selected card should be one of the smallest points of focus in the whole routine. Putting focus on remembering the card puts way to much attention on that specific part of the effect which should be, in actuality, the smallest part of the effect.
So a spectator forgets their card, big whoop. Know how to recover (I suggested a simple method pages ago) and make sure they do remember YOU. Thats the important thing, not 101 ways of increasing spectator memory.
C
Well there is one thing he didn't clarify on. What effect did he perform? A thought of card effect? Cards to Pocket? Random Pick a card effect. etc etc.
Normally for a Cards to pocket effect. The best and easiest way is to have them sign the card. Because unless they suffered massive head trauma. They aren't going to forget their name or that their card has their name on it.
Thought of card effects can be very tricky.. Tho if you want, you can tell them they can whisper the name of the card to their friends.
Random pick a card effects are essentially the same tho. Just have them show it to everybody and commit it to memory.
Like praetoritevong said. It's better to prevent something than to worry about finding a cure.
Normally for a Cards to pocket effect. The best and easiest way is to have them sign the card. Because unless they suffered massive head trauma. They aren't going to forget their name or that their card has their name on it.
Thought of card effects can be very tricky.. Tho if you want, you can tell them they can whisper the name of the card to their friends.
Random pick a card effects are essentially the same tho. Just have them show it to everybody and commit it to memory.
Like praetoritevong said. It's better to prevent something than to worry about finding a cure.
It already happened to me, i just have to convince the guy that this was in fact his card!!!! Sinse the guy was not shure of the card he agree. 
(it sucks wen that happens i hate it)
To convince the person i use this technique:
(you can threaten the guy by sayng that you will cut his head off using a card... well... works for me)
Sorry for my bad inglish i'm brazilian
(it sucks wen that happens i hate it)
To convince the person i use this technique:
(you can threaten the guy by sayng that you will cut his head off using a card... well... works for me)
Sorry for my bad inglish i'm brazilian
Truthfully speaking though....percentage wise how OFTEN does this really happen? 1%? And wouldn't it be easier to just ask again, "Now...you sure you remember your card, just in case you ever see it again?" And they'll think about it one more time to lock it in.
Kind of a tiny problem I would think.
Kind of a tiny problem I would think.
Sloppy magic isn't fun. Not for you nor for the audience. There are a few things I'd do to improve your chances of avoiding the egg on your face should a trick go south such as described above.
First, I always use witnesses. Anytime a card is selected I always make sure multiple people get a chance to see the selected card. That way, if the spectator forgets or misremembers someone else in the audience if not their party can (and usually will) correct them.
Second, I am ALWAYS certain to make clear that they should remember the card selected. I've used a stock line now for a few years and it usually gets a laugh. I don't mind sharing it because, as I said; it's not my original line. "Make sure you don't for get the card you selected. If you forget, it's going to be a great trick, but a lousy ending!"
Audience control is important. If you do a good job of taking your time, establishing yourself, and what you are doing, you'll cut down on the chances that the mark will forget the card selected in advance. If they do forget the card, chances are good they weren't that involved in you and what you are doing to care enough in the first place.
Sometimes a mark will know the card revealed is their selected card yet they'll try to play coy with you and act as if you are wrong. This can be frustrating. You can try to call them out on their lie by asking if you are certain its their card, read their body language for response, or poll their friends who were watching. Sometimes you just need to roll with it, and move on, just don't use that same mark in the next effect.
All else fails, have an index or invisible deck in your pocket. If you "miss" ask them what they thought their card was, and then produce it from the aforementioned prop. Not only will you look good for finding their correct card in the first place, and amazing their friends watching, BUT you get a double reveal by also nailing the card they -thought- they selected. ...Now that I think about that, I like it! I just came up with that on the fly and I think I may work that into my act as a backup should something go wrong. ...maybe even stooge it. Hmm.
How often do you perform? less than 5%? How can you even attach a percentage value to the situation? I think the situation is relative to the performer in question.
Fact is if you perform enough, you're going to experience this. I held a membership at the Magic Castle for just over three years (until the dues just got too expensive to upkeep) and I'd see this happen often, not just with myself but others sets I'd watch, enough to say the question is with merit.
To use your own words: "Truthfully speaking though....percentage wise this happens enough to give it thought."
How often do I perform as compare to what? Like in the scheme of a week? A month?
I used to travel quite often so I performed all over the country in many different venues with all types of different people. I've had that happen to me maybe 2 or 3 times. Like I said....just ask them if they're sure they remember the card. It's natural that some people may forget the card because they're focusing on what you're doing, but if you ask them again it'll lock it their minds one last time before the card is lost.
What's the big deal?
I used to travel quite often so I performed all over the country in many different venues with all types of different people. I've had that happen to me maybe 2 or 3 times. Like I said....just ask them if they're sure they remember the card. It's natural that some people may forget the card because they're focusing on what you're doing, but if you ask them again it'll lock it their minds one last time before the card is lost.
What's the big deal?
