The Invisible Aces

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I have a question..

Where exactly did you learn the routine? Because I know if you got it from Larry Jennings book (which I 100% doubt), you would have at least used his patter (which pretty much works with it.) The same can be said for any other person's version of the routine. In fact, The Invisible Palm is probably the easiest thing to script and make interesting.

I am going to take a wild guess and say that you most likely learned it from some youtube tutorial. (because I've seen a lot of people do the trick on youtube and the one's who put up the tutorials, learned it from other tutorials...)
 
Did you say you're one of the best on youtube? I think that's because most of the people that comment on you are people who don't take magic as an art and look at bad youtube tutoirals on how to do card tricks. Trust me, you need to practice A LOT before we consider you the best. I don't mean to be harsh on you but even I (12) am better at you and I started 5 months ago.
P.S- The best of youtube are Magicians/Flourishes such as Dan and Dave, W.H, Andrei, Chris Kenner, Allan Hagen, Jordan Lapping, etc.
 
Jan 1, 2009
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Did you say you're one of the best on youtube? I think that's because most of the people that comment on you are people who don't take magic as an art and look at bad youtube tutoirals on how to do card tricks. Trust me, you need to practice A LOT before we consider you the best. I don't mean to be harsh on you but even I (12) am better at you and I started 5 months ago.
P.S- The best of youtube are Magicians/Flourishes such as Dan and Dave, W.H, Andrei, Chris Kenner, Allan Hagen, Jordan Lapping, etc.

Wayne Houchin doesn't really perform on youtube. He's put up live video performances from his DVD's on youtube. But that's not a youtube performance..
 
I learned my lesson that all of us have to practice and that includes you to. Perfect a trick to the closest it can be.

I'm proud of this kid. He's already learned something. That shows potential to accept knowledge.

Four years and you still can't write an original script? Would anybody fault me at this point for telling him to buy my book?

:confused: Are you friggin serious!? I encourage it. Highly, Highly, Highly, Highly, Highly, Highly, Highly, Highly (Have I said it enough *** damn times yet?).

Pike took the words outta my mouth, rearranged them, and wrote 'em down. Simply put, I agree.
 
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I bought this effect from my local magic shop. Its called Diary of a Cardman Invisible aces by Chad Revelle. Thats the one that was performed a long time ago on The Tonight Show with jay leno.

I actually would continue to perform magic.

For the last time I didn't say I was the best on youtube. You obviously didn't get what I said either.

There is no intro in this video, but once Destiny starts there will be.
What exactly is wrong with having an intro other than you guys dont like it. I have got rid of the Supernatural intro becuase that is over and haven't made Destinys intro yet. Everyone else doesn't seem to mind(including other cardsmen from other forum).You just whine over the sillyest things like rating a video 1 star because of the sound quality.

I am a stage illusionist and you all are card magicians, so of course your card magic would be better than mine, but if it came to stage magic I would be way better at it than you all. We are coming from two different perspectives. I have to start somewhere and youtube is just as good as any other place. There is a slieght chance of getting known from doing party and club magic as you do. I am not like the other magician on youtube and shouldn't be compared to them.

On a positive note I am currently filming my live performances for Destiny. It may take me longer to complete filming though.
Also a Youtube Series is completely different from a Television Series.
 
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You just whine over the sillyest things like rating a video 1 star because of the sound quality.

Kid, are you listening or not? In video, the audio is 50% of the package. I am a filmmaker! I know more about this than you do!

No amount of pretty visuals can save bad audio. An audience does not forgive bad sound. This is a fact backed up by a century of corroborative evidence in the field of film and video. You telling me that the bad audio doesn't matter betrays your arrogance, ignorance, and incompetence.

I am a stage illusionist and you all are card magicians, so of course your card magic would be better than mine, but if it came to stage magic I would be way better at it than you all.

I'm actually a bizarrist and mentalist. You pick the venue and the props, and I'll still kick your ass at it.

We are coming from two different perspectives.

Excuses, excuses. You don't have to be a good actor to recognize a bad one.

I have to start somewhere and youtube is just as good as any other place.

No, it really isn't.

There is a slieght chance of getting known from doing party and club magic as you do.

There's an even slimmer chance that any booking agent is going to be impressed by your number of subscribers and the number of comments from sub-literate goons trying to brown nose you.
 
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I bought this effect from my local magic shop. Its called Diary of a Cardman Invisible aces by Chad Revelle. Thats the one that was performed a long time ago on The Tonight Show with jay leno.

I actually would continue to perform magic.

For the last time I didn't say I was the best on youtube. You obviously didn't get what I said either.

There is no intro in this video, but once Destiny starts there will be.
What exactly is wrong with having an intro other than you guys dont like it. I have got rid of the Supernatural intro becuase that is over and haven't made Destinys intro yet. Everyone else doesn't seem to mind(including other cardsmen from other forum).You just whine over the sillyest things like rating a video 1 star because of the sound quality.

I am a stage illusionist and you all are card magicians, so of course your card magic would be better than mine, but if it came to stage magic I would be way better at it than you all. We are coming from two different perspectives. I have to start somewhere and youtube is just as good as any other place. There is a slieght chance of getting known from doing party and club magic as you do. I am not like the other magician on youtube and shouldn't be compared to them.

On a positive note I am currently filming my live performances for Destiny. It may take me longer to complete filming though.
Also a Youtube Series is completely different from a Television Series.

If you cant take criticism as a man, you can go to a hole and die, do you want to improve as a magician and as a performer? you just killed your chanse
 
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If you cant take criticism as a man, you can go to a hole and die, do you want to improve as a magician and as a performer? you just killed your chanse

Yep, it's all about taking criticism. In a recent thread of mine with a video in it I got awful feedback, but I listened. I feel that I am a better person for it. Take the criticism and use it.
 
Don't give your a stage illusionist BS, from what i have seen you couldn't do anything that real illusionist can do on stage. It is insulting to here you class yourself as a stage illusionist. It isn't insulting to me but the art of magic.
 
Jan 1, 2009
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I actually don't think it would take longer to film a a routine that takes like 3 to 4 min. It wasn't just the sound quality that sucked. It was pretty much the fact that you rushed the routine. Seriously, WHY would you rush this? Watch clips of Larry Jennings do it and see that he doesn't rush it. He takes his time doing it, even the "moves" he takes his time doing.

If you can't do that, then watch Bill Malone. he also takes his time. The routine isn't that hard to do and really it IS the one thing you NEED to go slowly on in order for it to look like real magic.

You need to also learn to take criticism, other wise you will not make it in ANY form of entertainment.
 
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The more I am away from this site – the more I hate it when I come back...a good sign. I have started to write in a few threads, then deleted my words, as I am starting to see the wasted effort that goes in to helping people...and the anger that exists amongst a group, that COULD be a good group of magicians.

Hold on, just need to climb over a few egos to get to the point here.

Looking past the cards, the fact your voice sounds like it is coming over an AM radio and the hard to hear patter...the issues are more than that.

Here are the issues for you to think about – on a side note – you are not looking at your own magic critically enough, if you felt comfortable posting this. It is very different to work on magic, and improve in live performances – but putting something up that people can watch again and again – that has so many flaws – is embarrassing to magic – and should be equally as embarrassing (if not more so) to you.

I digress. Here are the issues.

1) You had no reason to add the aces back to the deck, when you added a card...except, to add a card. This needs to be motivated in your presentation – or don’t do the “mock” palm. When I do it, I just tell them about the concept – then show them the “real” work aka the effect.

2) Between dealing the aces off, and then reversing them in a way that looks like you are hiding something...because you are...is creating suspicion. You need to see this. Moreover, you spread them...square them...fiddle with the packet...then partially spread...to place down one card?

3) Almost every one of your tent vanishes flashes – your timing is off – slow down...again SLOOOOWWW DOWWWWN – speed is confusion, speed is not needed in this effect.

4) When you spread the cards or “add the invisible card” it looks like what you are doing..spreading the cards. Try using the heal of your hand to pivot the top card under your hand. It should look like you place your hand beside the one card...and another appears under your hand. Again, yours looks like you spread a double...not very magical.

5) You pick up two cards in a spread of 4...to put down 2 cards again – another wasted movement, done – just to accomplish a goal – in the PH version, you use your other hand – and put down the opposite packet – a nice displacement, that goes unnoticed because of natural handling.

6) What is going on from 1:35 to 1:40??? Totally over handled and unpractised.

7) You have NO reason to pick up the deck of cards and add the Ace of Spades – outside of your patter of “adding the card to the top to palm it off” – non-sense and mouth noise – especially considering what comes next...

8) Your rub a dub is bad – it doesn’t even look like a vanish – again – it looks like exposure.

9) You show all the cards in your hand at the end, but where someone would ACTUALLY think the card was?

In short, that effect needs much work – you have two choices now. Realize that you are getting what you asked for – feedback – it doesn’t match with your experience though. So...who are you trying to please – yourself – or your audience? You should be thanking those in this group, kind enough to watch that filth and comment on it. They are doing you a favour – because really...your lack of appreciation for the time and effort it is taking for people to set you straight is astounding. You get your back up, and in this forum, it just brings more pain. Take a second to realize that you have room to grow...that these observations aren’t crazy. Anyhow – go read Paul Harris’ Art of Astonishment, learn the handling of Invisible Paul Aces from the man that perfected it. Then, go look for others...actually, a decent handling is on the new True Astonishment videos – I will sell you my set for half price if that will mean I don’t EVER have to see something like this again.

I am not trying to be rude – but realize, nobody here hates you – they just hate bad magic. Your video is bad magic...work on it...do better. You are only truly horrible as a magician, if you don’t take the time to improve.
Good luck with your magic.
 
There is a slieght chance of getting known from doing party and club magic as you do.

I got my break at a party. I was invited to go to a party, it was an adults party, but I was invited nontheless. At the party I performed all night, even though that wasn't why I was invited, magic's just my thing.
One of the teachers from my school was at that party, they saw what I did and they liked it. They wanted me to do a performance at the school trivia night.
After my performance at the trivia night a man came up to me and said he was an agent. He said many people were looking for magicians like me, and that he wanted to get my number so I could possibly be on a few stage shows and TV performances.
How far has your youtube account got you?
 
Nov 16, 2008
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Explain to me how you are different from other YouTube magicians.

As for the card/stage thing, there are much better stage performers than you on this site, and they actually perform on a stage for real people. There are also many better card magicians.
 
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I am not trying to be rude – but realize, nobody here hates you – they just hate bad magic.

Actually, I'm getting pretty close. Not just because he's a bad magician, but because his response to criticism is, "*****, I'm flawless!" and then continues to make all the same mistakes over and over again.
 
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I never claimed to be flawless.

Tally go back and read my past post again. I have stated your question numerous times.(And you wonder why I asked you what your age was)
 
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